Re: Joints (was RE: rough month)

Auralie - no laughing here. Lots of alternatives to try out there. Back in the 80s my dad ate liver every day for lunch and it completely stopped his arthritis (though in his case it just might have been the power of suggestion) He did this for several years (Ugh!) When he stopped, the arthritis eventually came back.
With animals, placebo doesn't come into play. It works or doesn't. I had a German Shepherd with hip displasia. We fed him alfalfa to reduce the affects, but what really helped him was the acupuncture. Found this: A placebo-controlled study involving 300 people that compared copper bracelets to bracelets painted to look copper had a surprising outcome. A significant number of subjects who wore the copper bracelets said they obtained relief. The copper bracelets lost weight which could theoretically mean copper was absorbed by the wearer. 

Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message ----- From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com> 
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Joints (was RE: [CHAT] rough month)



You girls can laugh at me if you want, but I feel I must ask
Do you wear a copper bracelet?
On our honeymoon in 1952 we had a minor automobile accident -
ran into a mailbox post.  I was sitting with my legs crossed under
me yoga-fashion - no one had even heard of seatbelts in those
days - and slammed into the dashboard with both knees.  Both
knees swelled and were very painful - were x-rayed and shown
not to be broken, but the doctor said I could be sure to have
arthritis in the future.  Sure enough within the next five years
my knees were so painful I could hardly walk. One doctor said
it was not necessary to have x-rays - he could just feel the
crepitation with his hands.  I'm not sure just who got me
started, but I started wearing a copper bracelet that Chet had
given me before we were married, and another for the other
arm that I had picked up in a craft shop.  To make a long story
short, I am still trotting around pretty well fifty years later.   I
can't claim that my knees don't hurt, mostly at night, but it
seems more connected to a degenerated disk than arthritis.
Another interesting fact is that twice I have had falls, unrelated,
but both times the copper turned bright green with corrosion by
the next day.  Some doctors look at my bracelets and laugh, but
others look at my hands and say "well, you have no deformation
in your hands, so they obviously don't cause any harm."  I know
two other people near my age who wear them and swear by them.
I know it seems improbable, but they are not expensive, so why
don't you give the bracelets a try.  I have had numerous ones
over the years - some have been lost, some I have given away,
and a couple have just broken.  The ones I find most comfortable
are just flat bands, but I have had a couple of very pretty ones I
picked up in the Southwest  in Indian craft shops.  Laugh if you
want to, but I hope maybe this will help.
Auralie

In a message dated 6/1/2009 2:25:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dp2413@comcast.net writes:

Glucosamine pills didn't work for me, either, nor for my dog, Annie. An
injectable form worked quite well for her for a couple of years. (This was
a
sub-cu, not into the joint injection. ) The vet said that some studies had
shown that the glucosamine tabs were mostly broken down in the gut so
didn't
get to the joint, but that the injectable form bypassed that.

I hear you about the stairs. I not only squeak, but sound like Rice
Krispies.

If you're having pain, ask your doctor about the Synvisc or Supartz.
Neither
are related to glucosamine.
My doctor prefers the Supartz - says it has a better carrier, if I remember 
correctly. I've also been told that if you use it before your knees get as
bad as mine that there are better results because it helps to prevent more
damage by cushioning it.
I had to give up hiking in my 40's. I remember getting off the plane after 
some day-hiking in the Tetons, and my knees were so bad that I not only
couldn't stand the extra weight of my camera bag,  I had to support myself
on each seatback as I walked by. I got to the terminal and needed wheeled
help.

d
----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson, Cyndi D Civ USAF AFMC 95 CS/SCOSI" 
<cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Joints (was RE: [CHAT] rough month)



I'm getting pretty creaky in the knees too. I stopped taking the stairs
a couple years ago because I could hear the grinding noise from my knee
in the quiet stairwell and it made me cringe. Didn't hurt but I couldn't
stand to listen. Now I'm getting pain occasionally while I hike and I am
very careful about squatting down or jumping off my horse. I guess that
glucosamine stuff doesn't really work; I gave it to my dog for years and
I thought it helped her but I've read a lot of studies since then that
say it's mostly a placebo.

Cyndi



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