Re: Re: Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???

You mean they're not??  Just another dream totally trashed.
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From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???


> Plus DuPont and Dow Chemical have been brainwashing the American public
> since the 50's. Chemicals are GOOD!! And people actually believe it!
> It's amazing.
> 
> grrr
> Pam Evans
> Kemp, TX
> zone 8A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marge Talt
> Sent: 3/23/2004 11:08:19 PM
> To: wendyswope@mindspring.com;gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???
> 
> > You can take any soapbox I've got, Wendy:-)
> > 
> > Sadly, tho', the battle against non-native plants, whether initially
> > pushed by the chemical companies or not (and I have read something to
> > that effect), has now become a mantra with most native plant groups
> > or environmentally oriented groups.  This has a lot to do with a lady
> > named Faith Campbell, who has spent a lifetime organizing people to
> > think as she does and pushing all the right political buttons.
> > 
> > Trouble is that gardeners in general are not organized and don't have
> > the type of personalities that want to or enjoy being organized in
> > political action type groups...we mostly just want to garden.  So we
> > either never find out, or ignore when we do, what is happening out
> > there until it's too late to stop the flood.   We now have
> > legislation on the books that opens the door to the establishment of
> > white lists - lists of plants that are permitted to be grown - if not
> > on the list, you can't grow it.  USDA will affirm that they have no
> > white list in force.  That is true, but it's just waiting in the
> > wings and it will be done one of these days unless there's enough
> > pressure from sensible people to stop it.  I just hope I'm not here
> > any more when they make that list and start to enforce it.
> > 
> > You're right, chemicals are such a big business that they will not be
> > legislated out unless there is some disaster that can't be ignored -
> > like DDT..and that took many years and 'The Silent Spring' to do
> > anything about.  Plus, most people are looking for an easy way to
> > control their environment - kill bugs; have green lawns and lush
> > plants and the chemical companies have big advertising budgets.
> > 
> > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > mtalt@hort.net
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> > > From: Wendy Swope <wendyswope@mindspring.com>
> > > 
> > > YAY, MARGE!!!   (I happen to like that particular soapbox!  May I
> > borrow it?)
> > > 
> > > As for me and my SW OH landscape, I have lots of buddleias, they
> > are mostly species, and they do self-propagate.  I give them away to
> > friends and family.  Anybody who sees them in summer, loaded with
> > bees, butterflies, and hummingbird moths, wants one.  Between the
> > buddleia and the Russian sage, I have an amazing variety of
> > pollinators who come to visit my flowers.  And while both plants can
> > get out of control, I figure it's mainly because they have no
> > competition in this artificial environment.  I just dig the invaders
> > up, or surrender the area <g!>.
> > > 
> > > In the suburban landscape where I live, you can see acre after acre
> > of poison-coated turfgrass, and plenty of colorful hybrid (overbred!)
> > annuals with no food value for wildlife.  The animals and insects
> > congregate in my no-spray, heirloom-loaded corner of the
> > neighborhood, and they are welcome.  Why doesn't the state ban
> > Chem-Lawn type services and pesticide use in urban areas, if they are
> > so eager to assist the environment?  (Yeah, we ALL know why they
> > won't do that. . . $$$)
> > > 
> > > I suspect the battle against non-native species is being pushed
> > more by the herbicide manufacturers than it is by misguided
> > enviromentalists.
> > > 
> > > Wendy
> > 
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