Re: Re: Re: Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???

Rich - you crack me up!

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard T. Apking
Sent: 3/25/2004 2:41:02 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???

> You mean they're not??  Just another dream totally trashed.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???
> 
> 
> > Plus DuPont and Dow Chemical have been brainwashing the American public
> > since the 50's. Chemicals are GOOD!! And people actually believe it!
> > It's amazing.
> > 
> > grrr
> > Pam Evans
> > Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marge Talt
> > Sent: 3/23/2004 11:08:19 PM
> > To: wendyswope@mindspring.com;gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Buddleia davidii a noxious weed???
> > 
> > > You can take any soapbox I've got, Wendy:-)
> > > 
> > > Sadly, tho', the battle against non-native plants, whether initially
> > > pushed by the chemical companies or not (and I have read something to
> > > that effect), has now become a mantra with most native plant groups
> > > or environmentally oriented groups.  This has a lot to do with a lady
> > > named Faith Campbell, who has spent a lifetime organizing people to
> > > think as she does and pushing all the right political buttons.
> > > 
> > > Trouble is that gardeners in general are not organized and don't have
> > > the type of personalities that want to or enjoy being organized in
> > > political action type groups...we mostly just want to garden.  So we
> > > either never find out, or ignore when we do, what is happening out
> > > there until it's too late to stop the flood.   We now have
> > > legislation on the books that opens the door to the establishment of
> > > white lists - lists of plants that are permitted to be grown - if not
> > > on the list, you can't grow it.  USDA will affirm that they have no
> > > white list in force.  That is true, but it's just waiting in the
> > > wings and it will be done one of these days unless there's enough
> > > pressure from sensible people to stop it.  I just hope I'm not here
> > > any more when they make that list and start to enforce it.
> > > 
> > > You're right, chemicals are such a big business that they will not be
> > > legislated out unless there is some disaster that can't be ignored -
> > > like DDT..and that took many years and 'The Silent Spring' to do
> > > anything about.  Plus, most people are looking for an easy way to
> > > control their environment - kill bugs; have green lawns and lush
> > > plants and the chemical companies have big advertising budgets.
> > > 
> > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > mtalt@hort.net
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> > > ----------
> > > > From: Wendy Swope <wendyswope@mindspring.com>
> > > > 
> > > > YAY, MARGE!!!   (I happen to like that particular soapbox!  May I
> > > borrow it?)
> > > > 
> > > > As for me and my SW OH landscape, I have lots of buddleias, they
> > > are mostly species, and they do self-propagate.  I give them away to
> > > friends and family.  Anybody who sees them in summer, loaded with
> > > bees, butterflies, and hummingbird moths, wants one.  Between the
> > > buddleia and the Russian sage, I have an amazing variety of
> > > pollinators who come to visit my flowers.  And while both plants can
> > > get out of control, I figure it's mainly because they have no
> > > competition in this artificial environment.  I just dig the invaders
> > > up, or surrender the area <g!>.
> > > > 
> > > > In the suburban landscape where I live, you can see acre after acre
> > > of poison-coated turfgrass, and plenty of colorful hybrid (overbred!)
> > > annuals with no food value for wildlife.  The animals and insects
> > > congregate in my no-spray, heirloom-loaded corner of the
> > > neighborhood, and they are welcome.  Why doesn't the state ban
> > > Chem-Lawn type services and pesticide use in urban areas, if they are
> > > so eager to assist the environment?  (Yeah, we ALL know why they
> > > won't do that. . . $$$)
> > > > 
> > > > I suspect the battle against non-native species is being pushed
> > > more by the herbicide manufacturers than it is by misguided
> > > enviromentalists.
> > > > 
> > > > Wendy
> > > 
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