Re: Documentary about 9/11

Very interesting indeed....  As I recall, Goering ended up cheating the
hangman by committing suicide in his cell.

On 3/14/06, Bonnie Holmes <holmesbm@usit.net> wrote:
>
> The quote was so interesting that I wanted to do a little research on it
> to
> see if there was anything else quotable.  I found this at
> http://www.answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=235519
>
> Although this quote was indeed spoken by Reichsmarschall Hermann
> Goering during the course of the Nuremburg Trials, it was not part of
> the trial records, since these remarks were made privately by Goering
> in a conversation with prison psychologist and U.S. Army Captain
> Gustave M. Gilbert that took place in Goering's jail cell.
>
> "The quote cited (above) does not appear in transcripts of the Nuremberg
> trials because although Goering spoke these words during the course of
> the proceedings, he did not offer them at his trial. His comments were
> made privately to Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence
> officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to
> all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal
> of his observations of the proceedings and his conversations with the
> prisoners, which he later published in the book Nuremberg Diary. The
> quote offered above was part of a conversation Gilbert held with a
> dejected Hermann Goering in his cell on the evening of 18 April 1946,
> as the trials were halted for a three-day Easter recess."
>
> Snopes.com
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
>
> Here is the complete quote, with a comment by Gilbert that occurred
> midway through it:
>
> "Nazi leader Hermann Goering, interviewed by Gustave Gilbert during
> the Easter recess of the Nuremberg trials, 1946 April 18, quoted in
> Gilbert's book 'Nuremberg Diary.'
>
> Goering: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some
> poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
> he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.
>
> Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
> England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
> understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who
> determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
> people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
> a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
>
> Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some
> say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the
> United States only Congress can declare wars.
>
> Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
> bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
> they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
> patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
> any country."
>
> NashuaPeace.org
> http://naw.ijaq.net/conversation_with_Goering.htm
>
> "Goering's last days were spent with Gustave Gilbert, a
> German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted
> free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg
> jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of the proceedings
> and his conversations with the prisoners, which he later published in
> the book Nuremberg Diary. The following quote was a part of a
> conversation Gilbert held with a dejected Hermann Goering in his cell
> on the evening of 18 April 1946, as the trials were halted for a
> three-day Easter recess:
>
> Sweating in his cell in the evening, Goering was defensive and
> deflated and not very happy over the turn the trial was taking. He
> said that he had no control over the actions or the defense of the
> others, and that he had never been anti-Semitic himself, had not
> believed these atrocities, and that several Jews had offered to
> testify in his behalf... Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded
> Goering's observations that the common people can always be
> manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political
> leaders."
>
> Nihildum.com
> http://nihildum.com/goeringslastwords.html
>
> Gustave Gilbert's "Nuremberg Diary" is still in print:
>
> Amazon.com
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0306806614/qid=1059272755/
>
> If you'd like to read Goering's words in the original German, the
> German text of the interviews was published under the title
> "N|rnberger Tagebuch." It, too, is still in print, and can be obtained
> from Amazon's German site:
>
> Amazon.de
>
>
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3596218853/domaincomwill-21/028-057295
> 3-9279751
>
> It is interesting to note that this quote, which has undergone a
> recent revival because of its applicability to the war in Iraq, was
> also commonly used by anti-war protesters during the Vietnam War.
> Search terms used:
>
> "voice or no voice, the people can always be brought"
> "hermann goering" + "nuremberg"
> "hermann gvring" + "n|rnberg"
> "gustave gilbert" + "nuremberg diary"
> "gustave gilbert" + "n|rnberger tagebuch"
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@mallorn.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Date: 3/13/2006 11:30:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Documentary about 9/11
> >
> > > Yes, I have seen that.  I'm convinced that 9/11 was an inside
> job.  It's
> > > amazing how all the pieces fall together.  The PNAC - Project for a
> New
> > > American Century paper is a perfect blueprint, describing exactly why
> the
> > > neo-cons needed a "pearl harbor" type event to accomplish their goals.
> So
> > > many of the things that happened on 9/11 could not have happened
> without the
> > > complicity of our government.  Either it was engineered by our
> government or
> > > the government heard the chatter, figured out the plan and helped it
> along,
> > > I haven't decided which, but one of the two happened.
> >
> > I found this graphic on the Internet the other day (surprisingly, in a
> > non-political place) and found it apropos with relation to the video:
> >
> >    http://www.mallorn.com/~lindsey/hermanngoering9kd1nq.jpg
> >
> > It reads:
> >
> >    "Naturally, the common people don't war, but after all, it is the
> >    leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a
> >    simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a
> >    fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
> >    Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
> >    the leaders.   This is easy.  All you have to do is tell them they
> are
> >    being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
> >    exposing the country to danger.  It works the same in every country."
> >
> >                              -- Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall
> >                                 At the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
> >
> > Chris
> >
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