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Re: New oleander/schools

I'd be happy to send, off list, to anyone who wants it a listing of why
many nurses, myself included, all over the country find John Kerry to be
an excellent choice to replace George W. at Pennsylvania Ave. next
January. :-)

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Tue 05/18, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Kitty [mailto: kmrsy@comcast.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:08:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New oleander/schools

I wish Kerry were stronger. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but
at<br>this point I would vote for Mr. Ed over letting W keep wreak havoc
for<br>another 4 yrs. When he took office I thought he might be ok,
couldn't be as<br>bad for this country as his dad was, but day after day
he proves me wrong.<br>He is far worse and every day brings sadder news
of his trampling the<br>cherished dreams of this country. Meanwhile, he
plays his religion card and<br>too many good people follow him blindly
because he's a "God-fearing man".<br>However, a recent local letter to
the editor put the ball squarely back in<br>their court, suggesting they
try thinking. He quoted scripture to them:<br>John 4:1, "My dear
friends, don't believe everything you hear. Carefully<br>weigh and
examine what people tell you. Not everyone who talks about God<br>comes
from God."<br><br>Nader? He's an a*s. I understand why he feels the way
he does, but he's<br>only making matters worse.<br>Kitty<br><br>-----
Original Message ----- <br>From: "David Franzman"
<dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Tuesday,
May 18, 2004 6:55 PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] New
oleander/schools<br><br><br>> Yes Jim, you're right but it's more than
that. First I should point out<br>> that my kids took three weeks out of
their year to take tests proving that<br>> they have learned what they
are supposed to have learned. That's a<br>> significant amount of time
to take out of their year. If their school<br>> doesn't improve the
state may take over the school.<br>><br>> Second, in our hurry to
incorporate all children my kids are mixed with<br>> other kids whose
first language isn't English. How is any teacher<br>supposed<br>> to
teach when half the class can barely understand what the teacher is<br>>
saying? How is any bright student supposed to stay awake and feel<br>>
challenged when they are waiting for many others to catch up? The
Salad<br>> Bowl theory ain't working folks. Throw those who aren't
competent in<br>> English into seperate

classes until they are competent. Sorry, I realize<br>> this is closer
to Seperate but Equal than it is to Brown versus the Board<br>of<br>>
Education but otherwise we are simply asking for mediocracy. Unless
we<br>all<br>> speak the same language there can be no equality in
learning.<br>><br>> Third and just as important President Bush is an
idiot and Nader has gone<br>> completely looney. On the other hand Kerry
isn't exactly lighting up the<br>> electorate.<br>><br>> As a post scrip
I just saw that in Oregon Kerry and Bush are in a dead tie<br>> with
Nader taking 5%. Now I ask you who do you suppose that 5% would
go<br>to<br>> if Nader wasn't in the race? People in Oregon are blowing
me away.<br>><br>> David Franzman<br>> A Touch of the Tropics<br>>
www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From:
"james singer" <jsinger@igc.org><br>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:53 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New
oleander/schools<br>><br>><br>> > Near as I can figure, the No
Child..etc. is a political answer to a<br>> > fiscal problem, and it
appears to be just as slap-dash as everything<br>> > else this
administration has dreamed up. What the schools need is more<br>> >
money so they can reduce class sizes. That will allow the teachers
to<br>> > teach rather than baby sit.<br>> ><br>> > On Tuesday, May 18,
2004, at 05:03 AM, Melody wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > DF: This is the result
of a poorly thought out and woefully<br>underfunded<br>> > > "No Child
Left Behind Act", brought to you courtesy of our current<br>> > >
government officials. In order to continue qualifying for federal<br>> >
> financial aid for school districts, each school must meet grade
level<br>> > > requirements, you know. Well, if a certain percentage of
the children<br>> > > can't make it and that prevents the school from
getting funding, then<br>> > > what is the logical step? To reduce the
level of difficulty of what is<br>> > > being taught to the lowest
common denominator, i.e. dumbing down. In

r>> > > it's purest form, NCLB would be a godsend to the children
of<br>> > > America...teaching them to reach for the highest standards.
In it's<br>> > > current bastardized version, it's a nightmare!
Political action,<br>> > > though...the strength of character to stand
up for what you believe<br>> > > in...is the only thing that will change
this unfortunate course of<br>> > > action our elected officials have
embarked upon. Write or call your<br>> > > local federal and state
legislators and demand that they fully fund<br>the<br>> > > NCLB act.
Okay...off the soapbox now...sorry, folks!<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> >
><br>> > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> > ><br>> > > "The most beautiful
thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> > > --Albert
Einstein<br>> > ><br>> > > --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman <
dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> > > From: David Franzman [mailto:
dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > > Date:
Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32 -0700<br>> > > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] New
oleander/schools<br>> > ><br>> > > No, no, no Pam! It's "Can I supersize
that for you!" Man, could I tell<br>> > > you<br>stories about my kids
school. They watch more movies than the<br>> > > attendants at<br>the
Sundance Movie Festival. What's worse is that not<br>> > > only are most
of the<br>movies out of context with the class but many<br>> > > of<br>>
> > them are...ugh...cartoons.<br>Now are we talking about an
elementary<br>> > > school? Nope! High school. The<br>coup d' grace was
when my daughter<br>> > > came home from school and she told me<br>that
they watched, in Spanish<br>> > > class, a Flintstones cartoon
movie...IN<br>ENGLISH! Oh, it did have<br>> > > Spanish subtitles. The
schools are dumbing down<br>our kids and I find<br>> > > it
repugnant.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch of the<br>> > >
Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message
-----<br>> > > <br>From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com><br>To:<br>> >
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:35<br>PM<br>

Subject:<br>> > > Re: Re: [CHAT] New oleander/schools<br><br><br>>
Agreed. I've seen<br>what<br>> > > the local public schools produce here
- you want<br>fries w/ that?<br>> > > Appalling.<br>><br>> Pam
Evans<br>> Kemp, TX<br>> zone 8A<br>> -----<br>> > > Original Message
-----<br>> From: james singer<br>> Sent: 5/17/2004<br>> > > 4:24:57
PM<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New<br>> > >
oleander<br>><br>> > Yes, they are. And I think the Montessori<br>> > >
environment is perfect to<br>> > bring out their curiosity. I
think<br>the<br>> > > best part--that older children<br>> > have
responsibilities in the<br>> > > education of younger
children--encourages<br>> > a kind of<br>intellectual<br>> > >
development that simply does not occur in other<br>> > settings. And
I<br>> > > think that is why a high percentage of Montessori<br>> >
graduates<br>> > > succeed at university.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On
Monday, May 17, 2004,<br>at<br>> > > 09:04 AM, Zemuly@aol.com
wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > In a message dated<br>> > > 5/17/2004 4:08:07 AM
Central Standard Time,<br>> > > jsinger@igc.org<br>> > > writes:<br>> >
> Ms. Fatma teaches the primary grades in a Montessori<br>> > >
school.<br>> > > I volunteer with that same age group at our local<br>>
> > Montessori school.<br>> > > That<br>> > > age is the gre<br>> >
><br>> > > atest. They are adorable and so eager to learn.<br>> > >
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