Re: Way OT - Fedex Ground

Re > I will probably get blasted for this but...
Why?  I think most of us here are with you on this Bonnie.  A teacher's day
is a LOT longer than 9 to 3, 9 months of the year.   Your state needs to
develop a system of spreading the distribution of tax income more evenly, as
the current system promotes a vicious circle of lack of education.  I'm not
up on current salaries, but a friend of mine who teaches biology in a local
public school and is also a guidance counselor and coach makes over $40,000.
I think that's reasonable for all that he does.

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground


> Also, agree.  Our new governor and the push of litigation is trying to
> correct some of the education defects.  One major problem is that we rely
> on property and sales tax for revenue.  Those rural counties with few
> businesses don't generate enough revenue to support schools.  There are
> many situations where textbooks are significantly out of date and/or
> insufficient to provide one to each student and many teachers who teach
> with temporary certificates.  For example, only one-third of math teachers
> are certified in math.   What math major would elect to teach for 18,000
to
> 24,000 when he/she could double that in the business world.
>
> I will probably get blasted for this but I believe that until we are
> willing to pay teachers and principals somewhat close to what they could
> make in equivalent jobs outside of education, we won't attract the talent
> we need to "fix" the schools.  And, don't say that they only work a short
> day and have the entire summer off.  Good teachers help with after school
> programs, spend much of their own time and money preparing for lessons
> after official school hours, and take additional courses at their own
> expense.   Besides, the school year is getting longer and longer.
Teachers
> report the beginning of August.   It amazes me how much difference there
is
> in resources, compensation and time for training preparation and delivery
> in the corporate world as compared to "schools".
>
> Ok, I will get off my soap box.
>
> P.S.  We have a citizens group who is working hard to try to convince the
> county commission that building codes are a good and necessary thing.
>
> Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Tchessie <tchessie@comcast.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Date: 05/20/2004 7:19:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> >
> > I don't think it is illiterate people who are electing these stupid
> leaders-
> > many of them won't vote at all.  You likely can thank your moderately to
> > well educated neighbors for the current state of the political scene.
> >
> > Theresa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> > Behalf Of james singer
> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 PM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> >
> >
> > This, if true--and I have no reason to believe it's not--it blows my
> > mind. No wonder we have stupid people electing stupid leaders. Maybe we
> > need to go back to some sort of literacy test to vote.
> > I don't mean the old southern bullshit of asking blacks if they can
> > read a Chinese newspaper, but the real stuff--can a cracker read
> > anything except the chewing tobacco advertisements on his favorite
> > NASCAR entry.
> >
> > Just saw G. Weasel Bush on the tube. He seemed to be sweating.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > So true, Sue.  I too have neighbors, friends, and relatives who drive
> > > trucks and are responsible and helpful.  I did not mean to imply that
> > > all
> > > truckers are ignorant.  However, even those who drive agree that there
> > > are
> > > a sizable number who can't read or can't follow a map.  You live in a
> > > highly regulated state.  Here, in my county, for example, there are no
> > > building codes for non-public buildings and my licensed electrician,
> > > who I
> > > admire and trust, cannot read and admits it.  Only 19% of my state has
> > > a
> > > degree beyond high school and a sizable number have never completed
> > > high
> > > school so we have a large number who are functionally illiterate.  It
> > > is a
> > > serious problem in some areas.
> > >
> > > While some companies have strict policies and training, there are many
> > > independent truckers and drivers in this area who are not under such
> > > rules
> > > nor benefit from company training.
> > >
> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> [Original Message]
> > >> From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
> > >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> Date: 05/20/2004 2:50:15 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 05/20/2004 3:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >> sue.nyc@att.net writes:
> > >>
> > >>> want to clarify a few stereotypes and misconceptions
> > >>
> > >> I, for one, know you are right, Sue.  The few drivers I have known
> > >> well
> > > were
> > >> all hard-working upstanding citizens, except for my
ex-daughter-in-law
> > > who got
> > >> a CDL to drive a truck hauling gravel while she was still married to
> > >> my
> > > son.
> > >> She is an extremely bright woman, even if a total b*****.  The bottom
> > > line is
> > >> that stereotypes are usually wrong.
> > >>  If there is something wrong at FedEx ground, it probably starts with
> > >> the
> > >> management.  I didn't even know there was such - the FedEx I have
used
> > > regularly
> > >> over at least  15 years has worked very well for me, and the drivers
> > >> have
> > > been
> > >> very bright, steady fellows. I'm sorry to hear about the problems
with
> > > the
> > >> other.
> > >> Auralie
> > >>
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> > Island Jim
> > Southwest Florida
> > Zone 10
> > 27.0 N, 82.4 W
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