Re: Way OT - Fedex Ground

No, no.....he was an assistant football coach for the freshman team.  Now I
think he's back to coaching baseball, but still just the freshman.  No $ in
that.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground


> The coach part probably accounts for $30,000 of that.
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Kitty wrote:
>
> > Re > I will probably get blasted for this but...
> > Why?  I think most of us here are with you on this Bonnie.  A
> > teacher's day
> > is a LOT longer than 9 to 3, 9 months of the year.   Your state needs
> > to
> > develop a system of spreading the distribution of tax income more
> > evenly, as
> > the current system promotes a vicious circle of lack of education.
> > I'm not
> > up on current salaries, but a friend of mine who teaches biology in a
> > local
> > public school and is also a guidance counselor and coach makes over
> > $40,000.
> > I think that's reasonable for all that he does.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:43 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> >
> >
> >> Also, agree.  Our new governor and the push of litigation is trying to
> >> correct some of the education defects.  One major problem is that we
> >> rely
> >> on property and sales tax for revenue.  Those rural counties with few
> >> businesses don't generate enough revenue to support schools.  There
> >> are
> >> many situations where textbooks are significantly out of date and/or
> >> insufficient to provide one to each student and many teachers who
> >> teach
> >> with temporary certificates.  For example, only one-third of math
> >> teachers
> >> are certified in math.   What math major would elect to teach for
> >> 18,000
> > to
> >> 24,000 when he/she could double that in the business world.
> >>
> >> I will probably get blasted for this but I believe that until we are
> >> willing to pay teachers and principals somewhat close to what they
> >> could
> >> make in equivalent jobs outside of education, we won't attract the
> >> talent
> >> we need to "fix" the schools.  And, don't say that they only work a
> >> short
> >> day and have the entire summer off.  Good teachers help with after
> >> school
> >> programs, spend much of their own time and money preparing for lessons
> >> after official school hours, and take additional courses at their own
> >> expense.   Besides, the school year is getting longer and longer.
> > Teachers
> >> report the beginning of August.   It amazes me how much difference
> >> there
> > is
> >> in resources, compensation and time for training preparation and
> >> delivery
> >> in the corporate world as compared to "schools".
> >>
> >> Ok, I will get off my soap box.
> >>
> >> P.S.  We have a citizens group who is working hard to try to convince
> >> the
> >> county commission that building codes are a good and necessary thing.
> >>
> >> Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> [Original Message]
> >>> From: Tchessie <tchessie@comcast.net>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Date: 05/20/2004 7:19:21 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> >>>
> >>> I don't think it is illiterate people who are electing these stupid
> >> leaders-
> >>> many of them won't vote at all.  You likely can thank your
> >>> moderately to
> >>> well educated neighbors for the current state of the political scene.
> >>>
> >>> Theresa
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> >>> Behalf Of james singer
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 PM
> >>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This, if true--and I have no reason to believe it's not--it blows my
> >>> mind. No wonder we have stupid people electing stupid leaders. Maybe
> >>> we
> >>> need to go back to some sort of literacy test to vote.
> >>> I don't mean the old southern bullshit of asking blacks if they can
> >>> read a Chinese newspaper, but the real stuff--can a cracker read
> >>> anything except the chewing tobacco advertisements on his favorite
> >>> NASCAR entry.
> >>>
> >>> Just saw G. Weasel Bush on the tube. He seemed to be sweating.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So true, Sue.  I too have neighbors, friends, and relatives who
> >>>> drive
> >>>> trucks and are responsible and helpful.  I did not mean to imply
> >>>> that
> >>>> all
> >>>> truckers are ignorant.  However, even those who drive agree that
> >>>> there
> >>>> are
> >>>> a sizable number who can't read or can't follow a map.  You live in
> >>>> a
> >>>> highly regulated state.  Here, in my county, for example, there are
> >>>> no
> >>>> building codes for non-public buildings and my licensed electrician,
> >>>> who I
> >>>> admire and trust, cannot read and admits it.  Only 19% of my state
> >>>> has
> >>>> a
> >>>> degree beyond high school and a sizable number have never completed
> >>>> high
> >>>> school so we have a large number who are functionally illiterate.
> >>>> It
> >>>> is a
> >>>> serious problem in some areas.
> >>>>
> >>>> While some companies have strict policies and training, there are
> >>>> many
> >>>> independent truckers and drivers in this area who are not under such
> >>>> rules
> >>>> nor benefit from company training.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> [Original Message]
> >>>>> From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>> Date: 05/20/2004 2:50:15 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a message dated 05/20/2004 3:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>>> sue.nyc@att.net writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> want to clarify a few stereotypes and misconceptions
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I, for one, know you are right, Sue.  The few drivers I have known
> >>>>> well
> >>>> were
> >>>>> all hard-working upstanding citizens, except for my
> > ex-daughter-in-law
> >>>> who got
> >>>>> a CDL to drive a truck hauling gravel while she was still married
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> my
> >>>> son.
> >>>>> She is an extremely bright woman, even if a total b*****.  The
> >>>>> bottom
> >>>> line is
> >>>>> that stereotypes are usually wrong.
> >>>>>  If there is something wrong at FedEx ground, it probably starts
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> management.  I didn't even know there was such - the FedEx I have
> > used
> >>>> regularly
> >>>>> over at least  15 years has worked very well for me, and the
> >>>>> drivers
> >>>>> have
> >>>> been
> >>>>> very bright, steady fellows. I'm sorry to hear about the problems
> > with
> >>>> the
> >>>>> other.
> >>>>> Auralie
> >>>>>
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