RE: news of the day: hyrid cars

Yep - that's about right.  Sad.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: kmrsy@comcast.net
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:13 +0000

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>paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one out - it applies to
>much of what we've been discussing:
>
>
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>If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click the calendar on the above page to see the strip for Nov 11.  
>
>Kitty
>> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today=  My husbands 91 Civic is on
>> it's last leg.  The new hybrid Civic is very cool-  51 mpg and very peppy
>> and comfortable.  You don't even need to plug it in ever.  It's so quiet
>> too....  I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
>> 
>> Theresa
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
>> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> 
>> 
>> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't know.  Pam
>> does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have and live in a
>> shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own stress.  House
>> payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  Buy something
>> more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I lost it and put
>> my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American greed and
>> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger than your
>> truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does any person need
>> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  NO.  I told
>> him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking at a
>> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's looking at a
>> Hummer.  PULeeeze.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
>> >
>> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to build more
>> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people would buy. And,
>> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects someone's income.
>> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples proclivity
>> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards and
>> >bankruptcy laws.
>> >
>> > > But most of these products require an oil-based economy...and when we
>> >buy
>> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant part of the
>> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to change their
>> > > strategy.
>> > >
>> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > [Original Message]
>> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > > >
>> > > > Marge,
>> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, though I see the
>> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed that wants too
>> >many
>> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the show. They
>> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it hurts because
>> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already exist or can be
>> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're big enough to
>> > > > get their way.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Kitty
>> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race since we
>> > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer societal
>> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe just more
>> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy used to be
>> >frowned
>> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our "middle class"
>> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented society.  Used to
>> >be
>> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til it wears out,
>> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore every day to high
>> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she told me there
>> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and alternated them.
>> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  wealthy had more
>> >than
>> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 'best'...the old "Sunday
>> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our "Sunday Best"
>> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special occasions).  Today,
>> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on buying them
>> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all closely tied
>> >to
>> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is now closely
>> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just reading an article
>> >in
>> > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas decoration or fake
>> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we don't buy new
>> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor Chinese person
>> > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could only get what
>> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most did without.
>> > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get about anything
>> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always in debt (at
>> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' that we really
>> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs in hundreds of
>> > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting only what they
>> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the world...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy consumerism
>> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of living to more
>> > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up people's standard
>> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  Can it be done?
>> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put some curbs on
>> > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for the big
>> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't just fizzle out.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
>> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
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>> > > > > ----------
>> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over for years.
>> > > > > Don't
>> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is undermining
>> > > > > every
>> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are severely messed up.
>> > > > > The
>> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. But try to
>> > > > > preach
>> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two heads or
>> > > > > sprouted
>> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just returned from
>> > > > > Russia
>> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids and she told
>> >me
>> > > > > most
>> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these people live
>> >in.
>> > > > > Even
>> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would look like a
>> > > > > palace
>> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for themselves. Might
>> > > > > wake
>> > > > > > them up a bit.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
>> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became the mantra for
>> > > > > corporate
>> > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm in the late
>> > > > > 1970's.
>> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on the best
>> >seller
>> > > > > list and
>> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  It seems to
>> >me
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on self...what one could
>> > > > > acquire,
>> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., buying the best
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate didn't concern
>> > > > > those on
>> > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The thought of
>> > > > > giving back
>> > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles allowed great
>> > > > > success was
>> > > > > > >completely lost.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> 
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