Re: news of the day: t-shirts

This is because mailing lists are a big business; get bought and sold
over and over.  If you have a lot of time to waste, you can sign up
for a catalog using a specific initial or something in your name and
then just wait for the deluge to see who sold which name to who:-) 
Mailing lists are seldom purged; they just get added to and errors
made in name spellings and sold and resold.  Since I go by at least 3
names, I'm always interested to see what comes in for whom...and that
doesn't count the misspellings of those 3 originals:-)

Pity as it is a real tree waster, but mailing list sales are a really
big business, so it ain't gonna stop.  Asking to get off a list just
confirms you have a live address:-)

Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
mtalt@hort.net
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> From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> 
> God help me, I'm on everyone's mailing list!
> 
> I get a teak furniture catalogue - I've called and asked to be
removed, I can' 
> afford a teak shish kabob stick! They said they can't take me off.
> 
> I get a chef's catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I
don't cook!
> I get a goth catalogue - who knows why?
> I get some sort of gay men's Italian art catalogue - beat's me!
> I get an artist's catalogue - I can't draw.
> I get a Hanes catalogue - I haven't worn pantyhose in at least 5
yrs!
> I get a farm implement catalogue - yeah, my lot is 60x120'.
> And yes, not long ago I got some sort of pagan/satan/witch
catalogue - pretty 
> interesting, but I can't even guess how I got on their list.
> 
> Kitty
> 
> 
> 
> I love to read those T-shirts
> > And where, dear lady, did you see the "sister" shirt?  Nothern
Sun?  Are you 
> > one of those "Born Again Pagans"?   LOL
> > 
> > Thanks for the seeds and plant info too.  Very much appreciated!
> > 
> > Jesse Rene' Bell
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:52 +0000
> > >
> > >I thought that would be the one you'd ordered.  I've seen the
'sister' 
> > >shirt, too.  what a riot!
> > >Kitty
> > > > The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic.
With all the
> > > > stress we're under at work now - we need the humor!! I'm
wearing my - I
> > > > haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister -
shirt today.
> > > > That was special requested yesterday - LOL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------
> > > > From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000
> > > >
> > > > >Pam,
> > > > >I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was mailed
out 
> > >recently,
> > > > >so the shortage is either due to people ordering from the
catalogue or
> > > > >because they wait to see how many orders they get from the
catalogue
> > > > >before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which one
did you
> > > > >order?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a joke
for my 
> > >niece, but it
> > > > is far too expensive for just a joke.
> > > > >
> > > > >Kitty
> > > > >> Kitty - how many people did you tell about those T-shirts
from What 
> > >On
> > > > >> Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated demand!!
What a
> > > > >> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a
birthday coming 
> > >up.
> > > > >> Can't wait to get mine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------
> > > > >> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
> > > > >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > >> Date:  Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53 -0800
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for sharing!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Theresa
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net]On
> > > > >> >Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 AM
> > > > >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > >> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non Sequitur,
in your 
> > >local
> > > > >> >paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one out
- it 
> > >applies to
> > > > >> >much of what we've been discussing:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click the
calendar on 
> > >the
> > > > >> >above page to see the strip for Nov 11.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Kitty
> > > > >> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today=  My
husbands 91 
> > >Civic is on
> > > > >> >> it's last leg.  The new hybrid Civic is very cool-  51
mpg and 
> > >very peppy
> > > > >> >> and comfortable.  You don't even need to plug it in
ever.  It's so 
> > >quiet
> > > > >> >> too....  I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Theresa
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net 
> > >[o*@hort.net]On
> > > > >> >> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
> > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
> > > > >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just
don't 
> > >know.  Pam
> > > > >> >> does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I
have and 
> > >live in a
> > > > >> >> shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their
own stress.  
> > >House
> > > > >> >> payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you
down?  Buy 
> > >something
> > > > >> >> more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling
Humvee's I lost 
> > >it and
> > > > >> >put
> > > > >> >> my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of
American greed 
> > >and
> > > > >> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is
bigger than 
> > >your
> > > > >> >> truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way. 
Does any 
> > >person
> > > > >> >need
> > > > >> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and
back.  NO.  
> > >I told
> > > > >> >> him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm
looking at a
> > > > >> >> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas
mileage...and he's 
> > >looking at
> > > > >> >a
> > > > >> >> Hummer.  PULeeeze.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > >> >> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > >> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > >> >> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were
required to build 
> > >more
> > > > >> >> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what
people would 
> > >buy. And,
> > > > >> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects
someone's 
> > >income.
> > > > >> >> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a
start.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing
peoples 
> > >proclivity
> > > > >> >> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit
cards and
> > > > >> >> >bankruptcy laws.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > But most of these products require an oil-based
economy...and 
> > >when we
> > > > >> >> >buy
> > > > >> >> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a
significant 
> > >part of the
> > > > >> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would
have to 
> > >change
> > > > >> >their
> > > > >> >> > > strategy.
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > >> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > > > >> >> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > > >> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
> > > > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > Marge,
> > > > >> >> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding
greed, though I 
> > >see the
> > > > >> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of
greed that 
> > >wants too
> > > > >> >> >many
> > > > >> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who
run the 
> > >show. They
> > > > >> >> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or
what it 
> > >hurts
> > > > >> >because
> > > > >> >> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives
already exist 
> > >or can
> > > > >> >be
> > > > >> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and
they're big 
> > >enough
> > > > >> >to
> > > > >> >> > > > get their way.
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > Kitty
> > > > >> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the
human race 
> > >since we
> > > > >> >> > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are
fewer 
> > >societal
> > > > >> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or
maybe just 
> > >more
> > > > >> >> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being
greedy used to 
> > >be
> > > > >> >> >frowned
> > > > >> >> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size
of our 
> > >"middle
> > > > >> >class"
> > > > >> >> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer
oriented society.  
> > >Used to
> > > > >> >> >be
> > > > >> >> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use
it 'til it 
> > >wears
> > > > >> >out,
> > > > >> >> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she
wore every 
> > >day to
> > > > >> >high
> > > > >> >> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs -
think she 
> > >told me
> > > > >> >there
> > > > >> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night
and 
> > >alternated them.
> > > > >> >> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and 
wealthy 
> > >had more
> > > > >> >> >than
> > > > >> >> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for
'best'...the 
> > >old
> > > > >> >"Sunday
> > > > >> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had
our "Sunday 
> > >Best"
> > > > >> >> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special

> > >occasions).
> > > > >> >Today,
> > > > >> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and
keep on 
> > >buying them
> > > > >> >> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this
country; all 
> > >closely tied
> > > > >> >> >to
> > > > >> >> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that
operation is now 
> > >closely
> > > > >> >> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just
reading an 
> > >article
> > > > >> >> >in
> > > > >> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost every
Christmas 
> > >decoration or
> > > > >> >fake
> > > > >> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so
if we don't 
> > >buy new
> > > > >> >> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects
some poor 
> > >Chinese
> > > > >> >person
> > > > >> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending
circle.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people
could only 
> > >get what
> > > > >> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front;
most did 
> > >without.
> > > > >> >> > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody
can get 
> > >about
> > > > >> >anything
> > > > >> >> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're
always in 
> > >debt (at
> > > > >> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of
'stuff' that 
> > >we really
> > > > >> >> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of
jobs in 
> > >hundreds
> > > > >> >of
> > > > >> >> > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to
getting only 
> > >what
> > > > >> >they
> > > > >> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over
the 
> > >world...
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the
greedy 
> > >consumerism
> > > > >> >> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher
standards of living 
> > >to more
> > > > >> >> > > > > people than ever before in the history of
mankind.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping
up 
> > >people's
> > > > >> >standard
> > > > >> >> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP
factor?  Can it 
> > >be
> > > > >> >done?
> > > > >> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at
least put 
> > >some curbs
> > > > >> >on
> > > > >> >> > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about
salaries for the 
> > >big
> > > > >> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it
doesn't just 
> > >fizzle
> > > > >> >out.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > > >> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
> > > > >> >> > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
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> > > > >> >> > > > >
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> > > > >> >> > > > > ----------
> > > > >> >> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans
<gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that
soapbox over for 
> > >years.
> > > > >> >> > > > > Don't
> > > > >> >> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil
and is 
> > >undermining
> > > > >> >> > > > > every
> > > > >> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are
severely 
> > >messed
> > > > >> >up.
> > > > >> >> > > > > The
> > > > >> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off
we'll be. But 
> > >try to
> > > > >> >> > > > > preach
> > > > >> >> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you
have two 
> > >heads or
> > > > >> >> > > > > sprouted
> > > > >> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband
just 
> > >returned from
> > > > >> >> > > > > Russia
> > > > >> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly
adopted kids and 
> > >she told
> > > > >> >> >me
> > > > >> >> > > > > most
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions
these 
> > >people live
> > > > >> >> >in.
> > > > >> >> > > > > Even
> > > > >> >> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack
would look 
> > >like a
> > > > >> >> > > > > palace
> > > > >> >> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that
for 
> > >themselves.
> > > > >> >Might
> > > > >> >> > > > > wake
> > > > >> >> > > > > > them up a bit.
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > ---------- Original Message 
> > >----------------------------------
> > > > >> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed"
became the 
> > >mantra
> > > > >> >for
> > > > >> >> > > > > corporate
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large
law firm in 
> > >the late
> > > > >> >> > > > > 1970's.
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One"
was on the 
> > >best
> > > > >> >> >seller
> > > > >> >> > > > > list and
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large
firms.  It 
> > >seems to
> > > > >> >> >me
> > > > >> >> > > > > that
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on
self...what 
> > >one
> > > > >> >could
> > > > >> >> > > > > acquire,
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses,
etc., buying 
> > >the best
> > > > >> >> > > > > and
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less
fortunate 
> > >didn't
> > > > >> >concern
> > > > >> >> > > > > those on
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >this track unless they were directly
involved.  The 
> > >thought of
> > > > >> >> > > > > giving back
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >to the community whose structure and
principles allowed 
> > >great
> > > > >> >> > > > > success was
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >completely lost.
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >>
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