Re: news of the day: t-shirts

I know-like I WANT a replica of Aragorn's sword.....Now a replica of him may
be a different story.... ;-)
A


Andrea H
Beaufort, SC


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts


> ME TOO.  I get those Lord of the Ring type catalogs too...and I have no
idea
> why.  Oh well.  Glad you are feeling better and back on the list!!
>
> Jesse Rene' Bell
> Claremore, OK
> Zone 6
>
>
> >From: "Andrea H" <hodgesaa@islc.net>
> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:42:28 -0500
> >
> >I'll have to remember that one. I like it. Crunchy-groovy. I get those
> >catalogs too. I requested one for something specific, that I never
ordered
> >and now cant recall what it was, and now I get The Pyramid Collection and
> >Isis something or other, etc. And now I've started getting all these
> >catalogs with Lord of the Rings stuff in them. What's that all about?
> >
> >Andrea H
> >Beaufort, SC
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:46 AM
> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> >
> >
> > > OH...sorry...that's my family's slang for hippy-commune type places.
My
> > > brother lived in Boulder Colorado for awhile and he called them
> > > "crunchy-granola-trail-mix-eating hippies that live in communes and
> >deliver
> > > groovy pizza with "special" mushrooms on 'em".  We just shortened it
to
> > > crunchy-groovy.  I forget that people don't understand my family's
weird
> > > phrases.  Sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > > >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:25:04 +0000
> > > >
> > > >"CRUNCHY?-groovy-hippy" .....LOL, but please explain crunchy?
> > > >I think I got Pyramid once too.
> > > > > That's too funny.  It's the same for me.  I order one stinking
thing
> > > >from an
> > > > > "organic" catalog...and the next thing I know I'm getting
> > > > > "crunchy-groovy-hippy" catalogs.  My husband SWEARS that I get
more
> > > >catalogs
> > > > > than anybody in the world.  I get one called "The Pyramid
> >Collection"
> > > >that
> > > > > has all kinds of Pagan stuff in it and my husband just looks at me
> >and
> > > > > shakes his head....and my kids grab at it like those seagulls on
> > > >"Finding
> > > > > Nemo"..."mine, mine, mine".
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:08:03 +0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >God help me, I'm on everyone's mailing list!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I get a teak furniture catalogue - I've called and asked to be
> >removed,
> > > >I
> > > > > >can'
> > > > > >afford a teak shish kabob stick! They said they can't take me
off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I get a chef's catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I
> >don't
> > > > > >cook!
> > > > > >I get a goth catalogue - who knows why?
> > > > > >I get some sort of gay men's Italian art catalogue - beat's me!
> > > > > >I get an artist's catalogue - I can't draw.
> > > > > >I get a Hanes catalogue - I haven't worn pantyhose in at least 5
> >yrs!
> > > > > >I get a farm implement catalogue - yeah, my lot is 60x120'.
> > > > > >And yes, not long ago I got some sort of pagan/satan/witch
> >catalogue -
> > > > > >pretty
> > > > > >interesting, but I can't even guess how I got on their list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Kitty
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I love to read those T-shirts
> > > > > > > And where, dear lady, did you see the "sister" shirt?  Nothern
> >Sun?
> > > >Are
> > > > > >you
> > > > > > > one of those "Born Again Pagans"?   LOL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the seeds and plant info too.  Very much
appreciated!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jesse Rene' Bell
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:52 +0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I thought that would be the one you'd ordered.  I've seen the
> > > >'sister'
> > > > > > > >shirt, too.  what a riot!
> > > > > > > >Kitty
> > > > > > > > > The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic.
> >With
> > > >all
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > stress we're under at work now - we need the humor!! I'm
> >wearing
> > > >my
> > > > > >- I
> > > > > > > > > haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister -
> >shirt
> > > > > >today.
> > > > > > > > > That was special requested yesterday - LOL.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message
> >----------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Pam,
> > > > > > > > > >I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was
mailed
> >out
> > > > > > > >recently,
> > > > > > > > > >so the shortage is either due to people ordering from the
> > > >catalogue
> > > > > >or
> > > > > > > > > >because they wait to see how many orders they get from
the
> > > > > >catalogue
> > > > > > > > > >before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which
> >one
> > > >did
> > > > > >you
> > > > > > > > > >order?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a
joke
> >for
> > > >my
> > > > > > > >niece, but it
> > > > > > > > > is far too expensive for just a joke.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Kitty
> > > > > > > > > >> Kitty - how many people did you tell about those
T-shirts
> > > >from
> > > > > >What
> > > > > > > >On
> > > > > > > > > >> Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated
> >demand!!
> > > >What a
> > > > > > > > > >> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a
> >birthday
> > > > > >coming
> > > > > > > >up.
> > > > > > > > > >> Can't wait to get mine.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> ---------- Original Message
> > > >----------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > > >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> Date:  Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53 -0800
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for sharing!
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >Theresa
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > >> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >[o*@hort.net]On
> > > > > > > > > >> >Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 AM
> > > > > > > > > >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non
Sequitur,
> >in
> > > >your
> > > > > > > >local
> > > > > > > > > >> >paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one
out
> >-
> > > >it
> > > > > > > >applies to
> > > > > > > > > >> >much of what we've been discussing:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click
the
> > > >calendar
> > > > > >on
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >> >above page to see the strip for Nov 11.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >Kitty
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today=  My
> >husbands
> > > >91
> > > > > > > >Civic is on
> > > > > > > > > >> >> it's last leg.  The new hybrid Civic is very cool-
51
> >mpg
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >very peppy
> > > > > > > > > >> >> and comfortable.  You don't even need to plug it in
> >ever.
> > > > > >It's so
> > > > > > > >quiet
> > > > > > > > > >> >> too....  I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Theresa
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > >[o*@hort.net]On
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
> > > > > > > > > >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll
> >just
> > > >don't
> > > > > > > >know.  Pam
> > > > > > > > > >> >> does though.  I'm just about ready to sell
everything
> >I
> > > >have
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >live in a
> > > > > > > > > >> >> shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their
> >own
> > > > > >stress.
> > > > > > > >House
> > > > > > > > > >> >> payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting
you
> > > >down?
> > > > > >Buy
> > > > > > > >something
> > > > > > > > > >> >> more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling
> >Humvee's
> > > >I
> > > > > >lost
> > > > > > > >it and
> > > > > > > > > >> >put
> > > > > > > > > >> >> my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of
> > > >American
> > > > > >greed
> > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > >> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck
is
> > > >bigger
> > > > > >than
> > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > >> >> truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this
way.
> > > >Does
> > > > > >any
> > > > > > > >person
> > > > > > > > > >> >need
> > > > > > > > > >> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work
and
> > > >back.
> > > > > >NO.
> > > > > > > >I told
> > > > > > > > > >> >> him he better not bring one of them home either.
I'm
> > > >looking
> > > > > >at a
> > > > > > > > > >> >> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas
> >mileage...and
> > > >he's
> > > > > > > >looking at
> > > > > > > > > >> >a
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Hummer.  PULeeeze.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were
> >required
> > > >to
> > > > > >build
> > > > > > > >more
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what
> >people
> > > > > >would
> > > > > > > >buy. And,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it
affects
> > > > > >someone's
> > > > > > > >income.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's
a
> > > >start.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about
changing
> > > >peoples
> > > > > > > >proclivity
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on
credit
> > > >cards
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >bankruptcy laws.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > But most of these products require an oil-based
> > > > > >economy...and
> > > > > > > >when we
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >buy
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a
> > > >significant
> > > > > > > >part of the
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top
would
> > > >have to
> > > > > > > >change
> > > > > > > > > >> >their
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > strategy.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Marge,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding
> >greed,
> > > > > >though I
> > > > > > > >see the
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of
> >greed
> > > > > >that
> > > > > > > >wants too
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >many
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those
who
> >run
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >show. They
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who
or
> > > >what it
> > > > > > > >hurts
> > > > > > > > > >> >because
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives
> > > >already
> > > > > >exist
> > > > > > > >or can
> > > > > > > > > >> >be
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route
and
> > > >they're
> > > > > >big
> > > > > > > >enough
> > > > > > > > > >> >to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > get their way.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Kitty
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the
> >human
> > > >race
> > > > > > > >since we
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there
are
> > > >fewer
> > > > > > > >societal
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be -
> >or
> > > >maybe
> > > > > >just
> > > > > > > >more
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being
> >greedy
> > > > > >used to
> > > > > > > >be
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >frowned
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and
size
> >of
> > > >our
> > > > > > > >"middle
> > > > > > > > > >> >class"
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer
> >oriented
> > > > > >society.
> > > > > > > >Used to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >be
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that '
use
> >it
> > > >'til
> > > > > >it
> > > > > > > >wears
> > > > > > > > > >> >out,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress
she
> >wore
> > > > > >every
> > > > > > > >day to
> > > > > > > > > >> >high
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs -
> >think
> > > >she
> > > > > > > >told me
> > > > > > > > > >> >there
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every
night
> >and
> > > > > > > >alternated them.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes
and
> > > > > >wealthy
> > > > > > > >had more
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >than
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for
> > > > > >'best'...the
> > > > > > > >old
> > > > > > > > > >> >"Sunday
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had
> >our
> > > > > >"Sunday
> > > > > > > >Best"
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very
> >special
> > > > > > > >occasions).
> > > > > > > > > >> >Today,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes
and
> >keep
> > > >on
> > > > > > > >buying them
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this
> >country;
> > > >all
> > > > > > > >closely tied
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that
> >operation
> > > >is
> > > > > >now
> > > > > > > >closely
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was
> >just
> > > > > >reading an
> > > > > > > >article
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >in
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost every
> >Christmas
> > > > > > > >decoration or
> > > > > > > > > >> >fake
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China;
so
> >if
> > > >we
> > > > > >don't
> > > > > > > >buy new
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects
> >some
> > > >poor
> > > > > > > >Chinese
> > > > > > > > > >> >person
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an
unending
> > > >circle.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis,
people
> > > >could
> > > > > >only
> > > > > > > >get what
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up
> >front;
> > > >most
> > > > > >did
> > > > > > > >without.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Once we got a credit based society,
everybody
> >can
> > > >get
> > > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > > >> >anything
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so
we're
> > > >always
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > >debt (at
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of
> > > >'stuff'
> > > > > >that
> > > > > > > >we really
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands
> >of
> > > >jobs
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > >hundreds
> > > > > > > > > >> >of
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back
to
> > > >getting
> > > > > >only
> > > > > > > >what
> > > > > > > > > >> >they
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all
over
> >the
> > > > > > > >world...
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all
the
> > > >greedy
> > > > > > > >consumerism
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher
> >standards
> > > >of
> > > > > >living
> > > > > > > >to more
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > people than ever before in the history of
> >mankind.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy
> >medium....keeping
> >up
> > > > > > > >people's
> > > > > > > > > >> >standard
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP
> >factor?
> > > > > >Can it
> > > > > > > >be
> > > > > > > > > >> >done?
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at
> >least
> > > >put
> > > > > > > >some curbs
> > > > > > > > > >> >on
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about
> >salaries
> > > >for
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >big
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it
> >doesn't
> > > > > >just
> > > > > > > >fizzle
> > > > > > > > > >> >out.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> >-----------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Current Article: Variegation on the Green
> >Theme -
> > > >Part
> > > > > >One
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans
> > > ><gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that
> >soapbox
> > > >over
> > > > > >for
> > > > > > > >years.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Don't
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is
evil
> >and
> > > >is
> > > > > > > >undermining
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days
> >are
> > > > > >severely
> > > > > > > >messed
> > > > > > > > > >> >up.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off
> >we'll
> > > >be.
> > > > > >But
> > > > > > > >try to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > preach
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like
you
> >have
> > > >two
> > > > > > > >heads or
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > sprouted
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her
> >husband
> > > >just
> > > > > > > >returned from
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Russia
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly
> >adopted
> > > >kids
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >she told
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >me
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the
> >conditions
> > > >these
> > > > > > > >people live
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >in.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Even
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little
cottage/shack
> > > >would
> > > > > >look
> > > > > > > >like a
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > palace
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see
that
> >for
> > > > > > > >themselves.
> > > > > > > > > >> >Might
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > wake
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > them up a bit.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > ---------- Original Message
> > > > > > > >----------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time
"greed"
> > > >became
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >mantra
> > > > > > > > > >> >for
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > corporate
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a
large
> >law
> > > >firm
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > >the late
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > 1970's.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number
One"
> >was
> > > >on
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >best
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >seller
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > list and
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many
large
> > > >firms.
> > > > > >It
> > > > > > > >seems to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >me
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was
on
> > > > > >self...what
> > > > > > > >one
> > > > > > > > > >> >could
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > acquire,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses,
> >etc.,
> > > > > >buying
> > > > > > > >the best
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less
> > > >fortunate
> > > > > > > >didn't
> > > > > > > > > >> >concern
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > those on
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >this track unless they were directly
> >involved.
> > > >The
> > > > > > > >thought of
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > giving back
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >to the community whose structure and
> >principles
> > > > > >allowed
> > > > > > > >great
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > success was
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >completely lost.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
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