Re: election

Yes! and without calling names like "dumb" and other derogatory terms.  Thanks, Fran
 
PS I'm also a reformed liberal and probably a liberterian more than
Republican. I believe in gay marriage (which should still come with the
marriage tax penalty - sorry no exceptions on that "right" of marriage),
stem cell research (funded from various sources), legalize weed, and I'm
not a Christian. Since I don't have a church for tithing, I donate about
$100 each paycheck for various causes (of course I have records for
taxes). I believe in supporting independent bookstores, nurseries,
greenhouses and mail order outfits like Gene's. Yeah, I pay a little
more for my plants but know that my money is going to people I want to
support. So remember me when you want to stereotype Republicans.


Josh Haskell <haskell@ncweb.com> wrote:
I'll second that; very well said indeed. From the other side of the fence
(moderate Republican/ former liberal), I think you make some very good and
important points. Thanks for your well-reasoned and thoughtful comments.

Josh Haskell
Zone 5 -- Ohio




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynda Young" 
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Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] election


> Bravo, David!! Well said.
>
> Lynda
> Zone 7 - West TN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of David Franzman
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:38 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: [CHAT] election
>
>
> Hi guys
>
> Well this election was a disappointment for me as well. Much of the
> fault has to be layed at the feet of the campaigner. Kerry was terrible
> and probably deserved to lose. I too am fearful of the future more so
> for the Supreme Court selections than for what Bush will do in the next
> four years. I hope he doesn't use his "mandate" to select extremist
> judges or we will be paying for this election for a very long time.
>
> The reason I'm writing this is not to predict doom and gloom for the
> future. I fear political extremes of any type right or left. I would
> not like to live under an exteme left politician any more than I would a
> rightest. Leftist (I don't use the word liberal because using that term
> as deragatory is silly. Thomas Jefferson was liberal as were many of our
> founding fathers. If they weren't we'd still be living under a king)
> tend to tell others how to live their lives as they think they know
> better what is right and wrong. I can't stand government as big brother
> any more than I like unfettered conservatism. However this country's
> political make up seems to be extremes either right or left. There is
> no compromise anymore which is the essence of politics.
>
> We have become so intransigient in this country with nobody caring what
> is said or what facts are presented. We simply will not back down from
> even an indefensible position. Like those who say that there is no such
> thing as evolution and that the earth began 10,000 years ago. Or that
> it's ok to spray somebody with paint because they are wearing a fur
> coat. Both of these things, from opposite sides of the political
> spectrum, are ridiculous and yet adherents will justify their beliefs
> and actions. We will never move forward as a nation as long as people
> live in proverbial trenches. At some point we have to say "what is best
> for the country and not just my narrow interests". We seem to have lost
> our way and we must fix it. Yes, my side lost this election but that
> doesn't mean the end of the world. What it does mean is that we didn't
> deliver our message very well but it will be better for ourselves and
> our country if we remain engaged. We can work with others who don't
> agree with us by being polite and empathetic to their feelings. The
> people who voted the opposite way are not blind, deaf and dumb. They
> simply see things we don't or don't put as much faith in. That doesn't
> make them wrong. They are still our neighbor and our fellow countryman
> and their opinion is just as valuable as ours. Perhaps if we take the
> time to listen to each other instead of just thinking of our next point
> we might find we are closer to each other than we think.
>
> Lastly to make this point stronger. Ever since the late 70's or so we
> have been the generation of greed. It really is time to start thinking
> of the greater good instead of just ourselves. This includes business,
> economics, social and cultural issues. We are so self absorbed now that
> people rarely donate their time or energy into anything except their own
> hedonistic activities. The more we talk and the more we do things with
> and for others the faster we'll heal and the better we'll all be.
>
> Republicans congratulations. You won. You now have the honor of
> leading our country. Lead well please my kids are counting on you.
>
> DF
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