Re: RE: mousers was: holiday decorating

Thanks Kitty - will check that out when I get back from Jesse's Sunday evening.  Heading out at zero-dark-thirty tomorrow morning!!

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From: kmrsy@comcast.net
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:25:31 +0000

>Re > > Can you actually train a dog to use a litter box?
>
>http://www.doglitter.com/welcome.asp
>> Can you actually train a dog to use a litter box?
>> I've never heard of such a thing!  How interesting.
>> 
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> Date:  Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:14:06 -0500
>> 
>> >> every size litter box
>> >
>> >In recent years they've been trying to push litterboxes for dogs.  Didn't
>> >seem like anyone was very interested and the litterboxes sat on the shelf
>> >for nearly a year.  I bought one of the large ones labeled as being for a
>> >standard-sized dog - whatever that is.  It works pretty well.  It's very
>> >deep and very big.  I put in 2-14# boxes of litter for starters.  And
>> >because of the height, it mostly stays in the box.
>> >
>> >Kitty
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:48 PM
>> >Subject: Re: RE: [CHAT]mousers was: holiday decorating
>> >
>> >
>> >> Fabulous story. I've always been amazed that Sugar is so brilliant
>> >> considering her rough beginnings. I had to teach her what a water dish
>> >> was, she had no clue. She still prefers to drink out of buckets and seed
>> >> flats on the porch. She was barely 7 pounds when I had her fixed at 6
>> >> months, and the vet told me she'd probably never get much bigger
>> >> considering her deprived 'childhood'. Wish she was better in the car,
>> >> I'd love for him to see her now - all 16 pounds of her. She was small
>> >> until she was three or so, then she started to grow. We went through
>> >> every size litter box, to a restaurant bus pan, and now we use a large
>> >> sweater box, like you put under the bed w/out a lid for a litter box
>> >> because she is so long. So it just goes to show what some TLC will do.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> >> From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
>> >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> Date:  Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:31:39 -0500
>> >>
>> >> >Wow, what a sweet story.  I think animals know more than most people give
>> >> >them credit for.  I love to hear stories like that.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> >> >>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> >>To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> >>Subject: Re: RE: [CHAT]mousers was:  holiday decorating
>> >> >>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:14:00 +0000
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Re hunters in training....
>> >> >>Years ago I had Spot the Cat (male) who was a good mouser. He didn't
>> >> >>like other cats much but took an liking to a skinny little stray, so we
>> >> >>took him in. Orangecat was nearly a year old, but no more than 4 pounds.
>> >> >>He'd had a rough time of it. He gained weight, but never seemed to
>> >> >>believe the food would always be there, so he got bigger than he should
>> >> >>have and eventually outweighed Spot by 5 pounds.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Orangecat was pretty slow at catching on to things and did not hunt. I
>> >> >>belive it had to do with his background, including some of the things
>> >> >>Marge mentioned. But also, I beleive the lack of vital nutrients during
>> >> >>a young kitten's development can have retarding effects. Some things he
>> >> >>just didn't quite get.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>But just like having a slow learning child, you love them just as much,
>> >> >>and maybe more. And other animals seem to understand these things, too.
>> >> >>The most tender moment I recall was watching Spot trying to teach
>> >> >>Orangecat how to catch a mouse. OC was about 4 yrs old by then. Spot
>> >> >>brought him a mouse and dropped it in front of OC, who would blink and
>> >> >>seem to say "What?" Mouse would scurry, Spot would bring it back and
>> >> >>keep trying. A few tries later OC would lunge at it, of course missing.
>> >> >>This went on and on. OC got a little better, but never caught the mouse.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This dear sweet cat didn't need to be a mouser, he was worth his
>> >> >>(substantial) weight in gold as a friend.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Kitty
>> >> >> > I've developed the theory that good mousers have to be either wild
>> >> >> > born, barn cats or have had a mother who was as their mothers teach
>> >> >> > them to hunt.  Most human raised cats are not really good hunters.
>> >> >> > They will chase and often kill something, but that's just instinct
>> >> >> > and not "hunting".  My current mighty hunter was (I am sure) either
>> >> >> > born wild or a barn cat baby.  She is fixated on hunting; so is
>> >> >> > campused as she cannot distinguish between a bird and a rodento.
>> >> >> > Being in the woods, we always had an influx of mice in autumn...can't
>> >> >> > blame them; I'd rather live in heated quarters in winter, too.  I
>> >> >> > think field mice are cute, but do not like them in my kitchen and
>> >> >> > they can make such a mess.  Anyway, any mouse who is dumb enough to
>> >> >> > show a whisker around here now has a very shortened life span.    My
>> >> >> > mighty hunter eats what she kills  - unfortunately, she also often
>> >> >> > barfs it right back up...gag.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
>> >> >> > mtalt@hort.net
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>> >> >> > > From: Daryl <pulis@mindspring.com>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Pam,
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > One of my friends does cat rescue. She says that a lot of shelter
>> >> >> > cats are
>> >> >> > > just owner give-ups and are poor mousers.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >  I'll have her keep an eye open for me, though. It would also need
>> >> >> > to be a
>> >> >> > > cat that could get along with our elderly dog, who tore his
>> >> >> > cruciate
>> >> >> > > ligament a few weeks ago. The poor old guy tries to hunt, but is
>> >> >> > severely
>> >> >> > > hampered. I was going to find him a rescue pup/dog, since he hadn't
>> >> >> > ever
>> >> >> > > been an only dog until December, but I think the new activity would
>> >> >> > probably
>> >> >> > > make his leg worse.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Daryl
>> >> >> >
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