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Re: Re: Just a test

I know we digress from garden talk with this but I can't help but wonder what's more terrifying, having planes slam into your office building with no warning or "Redcoats" ride onto your farm in the middle of the night? Both in my mind would be scary. Lest we forget by the way John Adams had the Sedition Acts passed during his presidency and something similar during Woodrow Wilson's term and lets not leave out the Japanese during WW II I think it's not the quest for security that surprises me as much as those who attempt to gain from the fear. That's the reprehensible part. True courage is standing up to those who torment us without giving up our souls.

----- Original Message ----- From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Just a test

Didn't Ben Franklin say that people willing to sacrifice some liberty to
obtain security will get neither?? Something like that - correct me if I
misquote. Running fever you know.

Pam Evans Kemp, TX zone 8A ----- Original Message ----- From: Marge Talt Sent: 10/1/2004 1:31:48 AM To: gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: [CHAT] Just a test

Correct David.  I think that most people have been lulled into a
false sense of security in this country re: our civil liberties.
We've (well most of us)  always had them so have no idea that they
could disappear in a flash...or be eroded away as is now happening.
Only those who have come from totalitarian countries to this one
realize what living without guaranteed civil liberties is like and
most of them probably are afraid to speak up.

Scary times, these...and I'm not really referring to 'terrorist'

Did you use the bags?

Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
Remember Marge, that as we lose most if not of our civil liberties
security is the most important thing in most folks lives. It must
because most people don't say a peep. Then when some brave soul
does they
are shot down as having something to hide or just plain unAmerican.
if you don't believe that "What is good for G.M. is good for
America" you
will be labeled a rabble rouser or worse and imprisoned.

DF (Preparing for the debate. Barf bags are handy)

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