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Re: Social security overflow, change the law

As retired military (31 yrs), I have always felt that the complainers  
have no inkling of military life. Would they be willing to leave in  
less than 24 hours to a hostile environment halfway around the world?  
Would they be willing to risk their lives for people who think they  
are exploiting "the system"? Would they be willing to risk their  
lives to protect people they do not know, who speak a different  
language, and who may never thank them? No one joins the military  
with the expectation they will get rich, and some die before they can  
ever collect their pensions. I have no regrets about my decision to  
serve. I was a member of a community with a sense of mission and  
purpose. Double dipping? Those folks earned their pensions, and if  
they have contributed in another job, haven't they earned that  
compensation too?

Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Gene Bush wrote:

> Perhaps times are changing...
>    I doubt it, but. The general public has always resented public  
> employees and see them as loaded up on benefits and pay they can  
> not have. Nothing further from the truth, but ...... Double  
> dipping... retiring from the military with one pension and still  
> being young enough to retire from another government job has always  
> been resented and the employees seen as rich at the public expense.
>    I worked for 27 years postal system, 4 years military. When I  
> take SS it will cut my other retirement to just about nil. I  
> retired out at 30% of my gross from the postal system. .... 12  
> years back at $750 a month.  Who can live on that? and if you add  
> to it you are a rich person who is bankrupting the country. No  
> dental benefits, I pay half my medical which is mostly a plan so I  
> will not pay more than $2000 a year from my own pocket.
>    Public servants have never been treated well in the US that I am  
> aware of. Perhaps now that the public's tail has been saved once  
> more at the expense of public servants lives some good will may  
> last another year or two until the laws can get changed.
>    On a rant here this morning.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Evans" <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Social security overflow, change the law
>> Well that hardly seems fair!    Sheesh.
>> On 10/5/06, Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@mallorn.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know how many people here are affected by this, but the  
>>> current
>>> law states that any government employee who retires with a  
>>> government
>>> pension can only collect about 1/3 of any social security that  
>>> they would
>>> normally receive.
>>> For example, my Mom put 15 years into SS and 22 years into SURS (the
>>> State University Retirement System).  She can retire from SURS with
>>> a small pension (22 years gives her about 40% of her salary), but  
>>> the
>>> 15 years of social security will pay her a whopping 5% of her  
>>> salary.
>>> So after 37 years of secretarial/receptionist work she will receive
>>> 45% of her current income, less taxes.
>>> Pensioners through private programs can collect from SS and their  
>>> pension
>>> fund; it's only government employees who are penalized.
>>> To add insult to injury, if your spouse dies and you're on a  
>>> government
>>> pension, your spouse's social security is also cut.  In my Mom's  
>>> case,
>>> if anything were to happen to my Dad my Mom wouldn't be allowed to
>>> collect ANY widower's social security benefits.
>>> There's currently a bill out there to change this.  If you think  
>>> that
>>> this is a bad thing (as I do, who will also be affected by this  
>>> when I
>>> retire), visit
>>>   http://www.dingomt.com/ssoffsetlaw/
>>> for more information.  A sample letter to send to your  
>>> representative
>>> is available at
>>>   http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/socialsecurity7
>>> Or you can call 1-866-327-8670 and ask for your congressperson's  
>>> office.
>>> Say "As Congressperson _____________'s constituent, I am calling  
>>> to ask
>>> him/her to sign the discharge petition, House Resolution 987,  
>>> introduced
>>> on
>>> September 7, to bring the Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 147)  
>>> to a
>>> prompt vote on the House floor."
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
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>> Pam Evans
>> Kemp TX
>> zone 8A
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