Re: bermudagrass wars

Well, I don't know about black-gumbo clay. I guess a little research would turn 
up an answer for it.  No time right now.
Kitty
> What about our charming black gumbo clay? Is that somewhere in the
> middle? I remember the red clay from VA. I know Daryl knows it well -
> Georgia is famous for that stuff!
> 
> :-)
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date:  Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:48:56 -0500
> 
> >> what's up w/ blue clay?
> >
> >Well, if I can explain this correctly.....Clay gets its color from the
> >minerals within it. The red clay that several have mentioned is red because
> >of the iron deposits.  The iron is red because it is oxidized.  It's
> >oxidized because of the air that has been in its pores over the eons.  Blue
> >clay has iron that has not oxidized.  It has been deprived of oxygen.  This
> >occurs because the pores are very small and/or they have been continuously
> >filled with water - again, over eons.  Plants need good pore spaces, large
> >and small in any kind of soil, with oxgen available.  Areas under water for
> >too long - even if that were 1000s of years ago - have blue clay if they
> >contain iron.  Not a good soil for much of anything.
> >
> >Kitty
> >If I didn't get that quite right, feel free to correct me.
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:46 PM
> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] bermudagrass wars
> >
> >
> >> Clay does retain moisture it's true. And if you amend the bejeebers out
> >> of it - you can plant darn near anything. My great big xeriscape herb
> >> bed - I excavated down about 18", left half the clay, used the rest for
> >> a berm. Added some compost, about 8 or ten bags of lava sand and 3 or 4
> >> of greensand and the lavenders, rosemary, artemisia, salvia and thyme
> >> seem quite happy. I also top dress it twice a year w/ lava sand to keep
> >> it from "regressing".
> >>
> >> So you can do a lot w/ it.  Great graphic Kitty -
> >> hadn't seen that one before...
> >>
> >> what's up w/ blue clay?  I think Andrea has that.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> Date:  Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:34:09 -0500
> >>
> >> >Well, I was just guessing.  Actually clay gets a bad rap.  It's not
> >always
> >> >that bad.  When someone says they have no clay - that's really not that
> >> >good.  If you take a look at a soil pyramid
> >> >http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/seeu/atlantic/images/Soil_pyramid.jpg
> >> >clay plays a part in more than half the area.  Clay helps to retain
> >moisture
> >> >and improves cation exchange.  As regards the texture of the soil:
> >> >"Texture refers to the composition of the strata according to the USDA
> >soil
> >> >pyramid, which classifies soils based on percentages of sand, clay and
> >silt.
> >> >A loam has roughly equal amounts of sand, silt and clay. A clayey silt is
> >> >predominantly silt with some clay, but may also contain sand, etc."
> >> >So if you have a nice loam soil, you do indeed have some clay.  The clay
> >you
> >> >reaaly don't want is blue.
> >> >
> >> >Kitty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >From: <Cersgarden@aol.com>
> >> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:14 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] bermudagrass wars
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> In a message dated 9/2/03 1:15:46 AM, mhobertm@excite.com writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> << Hmmm....I bet clay soil would have done a better job of
> >> >> holding on to that
> >> >> tree. :+) >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Kitty, our tornado of 98' didn't recognize the fact our soils were
> >clay.
> >> >We
> >> >> lost 9 trees in our garden, several of those uprooted but the home
> >behind
> >> >us
> >> >> had an enormous ugly cottonwood and it was pulled up by the roots also.
> >> >>     Ceres
> >> >>
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> >> Kemp TX/zone 8A
> >>
> >>
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