Re: gardenwriters Digest, Vol 147, Issue 8

**D* G* <g*@gmail.com>**

Hey Jeff - would you do those of us on mobile devices a favor and delete
all the old posts before you post.  It make it tough to read.

;-)

Thanks buddy

On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Jeff lowenfels <jeff.lowenfels@gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I was the only one that didnt like Facebookand think it's a
> complete waste of time as a gardening promotion tool.our GWA board thinks
> we should be doing much more on Facebook. Wrong!
>
> Teaming
>
> Jeff
>
> Plant a row for the hungry/sent from my phone.
>
> > On Aug 16, 2015, at 12:15 PM, gardenwriters-request@lists.ibiblio.org
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> >   1. Re: listowners needed (Catriona Erler)
> >   2. Re: listowners needed (hamptongar@aol.com <javascript:;>)
> >   3. Re: listowners needed (Gene Bush)
> >   4. Re: listowners needed (Doug Green)
> >   5. Re: listowners needed (Gene Bush)
> >   6. Membership (Doug Green)
> >   7. Re: Membership (Lawrence London)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:28:22 -0400
> > From: Catriona Erler <Catriona@CatrionaTudorErler.com>
> > To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum
> >    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] listowners needed
> > Message-ID:
> >    <1FC37386-0E35-411B-B764-B6EFA2B17507@CatrionaTudorErler.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Ditto what everyone has said about being grateful for those who have
> maintained the list (thank you, thank you!) and about how valuable this
> list is to me personally and professionally.
> >
> > Thank you also to those who have stepped up with offers to manage it.
> >
> > Catriona
> >
> > Catriona Tudor Erler
> > 965 Pintail Lane
> > Charlottesville, VA 22903
> > 434 953-6780
> > Catriona@CatrionaTudorErler.com
> > www.CatrionaTudorErler.com
> >
> >> On Aug 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daryl <dp2413@comcast.net <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you both for keeping up the list as long as you have.  And thank
> you
> >> to the volunteers that have stepped up.
> >>
> >> I would miss GWL very much if it was not here. Facebook and the like
> has too
> >> much noise, and FB controls what you see unless you go hunting for it. I
> >> use it because I have many friends there, and some of the groups are
> useful,
> >> but nothing beats a list for short and sweet.
> >>
> >> d
> >>
> >> Daryl Pulis
> >>
> >> Manager, CompuServe Gardening Forum
> >> (The oldest gardening forum on the web)
> >> http://forums.compuserve.com/ws-gardening/
> >>
> >> Host - America's Home Grown Veggie Show
> >> http://americaswebradio.com/americas-home-grown-veggies
> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Americas-Home-Grown-Veggies/123495234074
> ?
> >>
> >> Plant a Row for the Hungry
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:43:45 -0400
> > From: hamptongar@aol.com <javascript:;>
> > To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] listowners needed
> > Message-ID: <14f3275cd51-3613-7a72@webprd-m108.mail.aol.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Hope the list continues and that there's lots more participation.  If
> not..where's everyone chatting?
> >
> >
> > Andrew Messigner
> > The Hampton Gardener
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Thompson <jht@lj.net <javascript:;>>
> > To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum <
> gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2015 7:58 am
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] listowners needed
> >
> >
> > If there is interest in continuing to have the list, I'd be happy to
> manage
> > the
> > list, and do the backend if needed.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Doug
> > Green <gardeningemail@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Houston we have a problem.
> > :-)
> >>
> >> Some of you know I'm withdrawing from some garden writing activities
> > to
> >> focus on specific areas.
> >>
> >> I had intended to "retire" from this list
> > as listowner this year as I drop
> >> things.
> >>
> >> Helen Yoast just confirmed in
> > an email to me that she wasn't able to
> >> continue as listowner so she's
> > retired.
> >>
> >> So.... we have a problem.
> >>
> >> If we get two folks to step
> > forward, the list can continue. Or one given we
> >> have a listowner (thanks
> > Lawrence) handling the backend stuff.
> >>
> >> Or, do you want to shut it down
> > given there are alternatives on Facebook
> >> and LinkedIn? (I assume these are
> > still operating - I don't participate in
> >> either.)
> >>
> >> Have email lists like
> > this had their day and run the course to be replaced
> >> by social media?
> > Your call folks.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Doug Green
> >> Autocorrect enabled.
> > Get over it
> >> IPhone version
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 07:32:40 -0400
> > From: "Gene Bush" <genebush@netsurfusa.net <javascript:;>>
> > To: "'Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum'"
> >    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] listowners needed
> > Message-ID: <003e01d0d817$42b5c300$c8214900$@netsurfusa.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Must be catching.
> > I recently made the decision to withdraw from social media activities. My
> > end up keeping Facebook.. will see about that one. Pinterest, Twitter,
> > Google+, LinkedIn will be discontinued and links removed from my
> website. I
> > am sure it is all due to my age and not effectively using all those
> miracles
> > of the modern age, but I no longer have the time and energy to entertain
> "to
> > freely give". Saving that for writing and photographing for the next
> article
> > or chapter in a book that has a return on investment.
> > Good to see I am not the only one considering roi.
> >
> > Gene E. Bush
> > Shade Garden Correspondent
> > Gardener - Writer - Photographer -? Speaker
> > www.shadegardenexpert.com
> >
> > New eBook: Shade Garden Solutions
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gardenwriters-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>
> > [g*@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Doug Green
> >
> > Some of you know I'm withdrawing from some garden writing activities to
> > focus on specific areas.
> > Snip...
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 08:29:23 -0400
> > From: Doug Green <gardeningemail@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: genebush@munchkinnursery.com <javascript:;>,    Garden Writers --
> GWL -- The Garden
> >    Writers Forum    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] listowners needed
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAF2G8XvxmiRoJQ+SC-AYcv4+_JGh+Us5HZe=ABNRL8m46wvCfw@mail.gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > I think it has more to do with running a business than it has to do with
> > age.  I read well over 50 garden blogs at the moment and only 1 or 2 are
> > serious about making money. I assume the rest are doing it for the fun of
> > it.  And when "fun" or "networking" is the filter, then folks can do a
> lot
> > of things that don't return any income for the time spent.
> >
> > I find having the financials as a target sharpens the thinking when it
> > comes to what helps or hinders. BTW Pinterest is my second largest
> traffic
> > referrer after Google and  a long way ahead of Facebook.   LinkedIn is a
> > long gone in the rear view mirror for me. Twitter is a non-starter; I
> gave
> > it a big push for six months and it was relegated to automatic/ignore
> > status after that. Response rates were so far below 1% as to be
> > non-existent.
> >
> > Given the emergence of the ad-blocker (it's about to be baked into Safari
> > as a regular part of it) things like google ads etc are almost dead.  I'm
> > moving the high end content behind a firewall - and readers will pay for
> > the ability to read and ask questions about it. All commenting systems
> have
> > been removed from my sites - don't want to spend the time answering
> > questions for free.
> >
> > But Pinterest code - I'd keep.  (I use Sumome for that and it does all
> the
> > work)  Just not do anything yourself - let others pin your site pics for
> > you.  Facebook - well, you do have to work those nursery biz pages to
> keep
> > them in front of folks, so that's something you'd have to track and
> check.
> >
> > So - not prepared to accept your "age" argument. :-)  I've substituted
> > income earning as the criteria.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > am sure it is all due to my age and not effectively using all those
> miracles
> > of the modern age, but I no longer have the time and energy to entertain
> "to
> > freely give". Saving that for writing and photographing for the next
> article
> > or chapter in a book that has a return on investment.
> > Good to see I am not the only one considering roi.
> >
> > Gene E. Bush
> >
> >
> > Doug Green
> > Head Weeder, Head Wordsmith
> > http://www.douggreensgarden.com/about.html <
> http://www.simplegiftsfarm.com>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:38:59 -0400
> > From: "Gene Bush" <genebush@netsurfusa.net <javascript:;>>
> > To: "'Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum'"
> >    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] listowners needed
> > Message-ID: <005701d0d852$d2945a00$77bd0e00$@netsurfusa.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Doug,
> > I took a look at your Pinterest site and your website. I did not locate
> the
> > 'high end content behind a firewall' Is that to come? Any interest in
> taking
> > some of this off line and private?
> > When I had a nursery, content was king, and all was to be freely shared
> ..
> > worked well enough when there were plants subsidizing the time and effort
> > behind all those photos and newsletters, questions answered. Social media
> > chat. The nursery is no longer. I find very few, and I do mean very few,
> > will convert from free content to paying. Heard of newspapers?
> > I do have a subscription only monthly newsletter now: The Must Have
> > Messenger http://www.shadegardenexpert.com/must-have-messenger/ I have
> been
> > considering taking it behind a wall instead of monthly emails on
> content. I
> > have found Facebook and Google ads of no value in subscription sales..
> or I
> > placed the ads poorly. Lots to discuss about our ever changing digital
> > world.
> >
> > Gene E. Bush
> > Shade Garden Correspondent
> > Gardener - Writer - Photographer -? Speaker
> > www.shadegardenexpert.com
> >
> > New eBook: Shade Garden Solutions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gardenwriters-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>
> > [g*@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Doug Green
> > Gene
> >
> > I think it has more to do with running a business than it has to do with
> age
> > - snips -
> >
> > best
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:08:25 -0400
> > From: Doug Green <gardeningemail@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: genebush@munchkinnursery.com <javascript:;>,    Garden Writers --
> GWL -- The Garden
> >    Writers Forum    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: [GWL] Membership
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAF2G8XuuC8=2C3BnCerM=wLWFmqm9BWZ6crT4dwPO60uF0fURg@mail.gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Gene - I just did a summary of membership sites for the GWA newsletter
> tech
> > corner that was in the most recent issue.  That's pretty much what I'm
> > doing at mine.  It's operational at www.online-gardening-courses.com BUT
> > don't bother checking it out today - it's on a massive FTP delete and
> > rebuild program where I'm deleting existing content and installing a full
> > backup. (long story)
> >
> > The key is to have a mailing list. That's step one. Building something
> > without one of those - or an established platform - is pretty much a
> recipe
> > for losing money.  Some folks have done it but I'd never recommend it.
> >
> > I've written in GWA before about mailing lists - and they're quite the
> rage
> > now as the majority of big independents move off social media to their
> own
> > lists and products.
> >
> > It's a whole 'nother business climate.
> >
> > Step one is to create a membership list and give folks a reason to sign
> up.
> > Step two is to ask them what they want - and then deliver that - at a
> price.
> >
> > My best .02 - don't build something because you think it will sell - make
> > sure it will sell before you build it.  Build it and they will come is no
> > longer true on the Net.
> >
> > That's my general reaction.
> >
> > If you want to move it off-list- drop me a note.
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Gene Bush <genebush@netsurfusa.net
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Doug,
> >> I took a look at your Pinterest site and your website. I did not locate
> the
> >> 'high end content behind a firewall' Is that to come? Any interest in
> >> taking
> >> some of this off line and private?
> >> When I had a nursery, content was king, and all was to be freely shared
> ..
> >> worked well enough when there were plants subsidizing the time and
> effort
> >> behind all those photos and newsletters, questions answered. Social
> media
> >> chat. The nursery is no longer. I find very few, and I do mean very few,
> >> will convert from free content to paying. Heard of newspapers?
> >> I do have a subscription only monthly newsletter now: The Must Have
> >> Messenger http://www.shadegardenexpert.com/must-have-messenger/ I have
> >> been
> >> considering taking it behind a wall instead of monthly emails on
> content. I
> >> have found Facebook and Google ads of no value in subscription sales..
> or I
> >> placed the ads poorly. Lots to discuss about our ever changing digital
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Gene E. Bush
> >
> > Doug Green
> > Head Weeder, Head Wordsmith
> > http://www.douggreensgarden.com/about.html <
> http://www.simplegiftsfarm.com>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:15:10 -0400
> > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum
> >    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL] Membership
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CA+j2Q+A9yv71tfSU_xrhv_knkXVXv__M7BWE_R4tHjtokA3TUA@mail.gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Doug Green <gardeningemail@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Step one is to create a membership list and give folks a reason to sign
> up.
> >> Step two is to ask them what they want - and then deliver that - at a
> >> price.
> >>
> >> My best .02 - don't build something because you think it will sell -
> make
> >> sure it will sell before you build it.  Build it and they will come is
> no
> >> longer true on the Net.
> >
> > What great advice, Doug.
> > I ran across this strange post today, FWIW;
> > its about creating blog content that goes viral and scooping your
> > competition, driving traffic to your site and so on;
> > i.e. yours is better than theirs as you take inventory of the most
> popular
> > content your competition offers, then go one better
> > in your blog, or website. And that's viral as in going viral, not
> malware.
> >
> > How To Create Viral Blog Content With Free Tools
> > http://wpmanaged.org/create-viral-blog-content-free-tools/
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence F. London
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > avantgeared <https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/>
> >
> >
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Autocorrect enabled. Get over it
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