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Re Philadelphus
Martha,
Hope you're not an early bird (& I'm working in California this week, so am time-zone challenged).
DON'T WHACK IT NOW! Wait until the plant is dormant in winter. Otherwise you'll be encouraging new
growth that won't harden off for winter. I killed several plants that way -enthusiastic fall pruning. I
have learned not to weep them, and think of them as pre-compost to help nourish others!
Cheers,
Cathy
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Well, then, tomorrow I will do more than take out a fourth of it. I shall
whack it like a forsythia - local gardeners find that a good whacking makes
many non-blooming perennial shrubs and vines such as wisteria bloom again.
Their theory is that the plant's survival is threatened and it is triggered
to make seeds to survive, ergo flowers.
So much to learn, Martha in Muskogee
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> 1. prune it? Philadelphus virginal (Molly Day)
> 2. Re: prune it? Philadelphus virginal (Doug Green)
> 3. Whacked Philadelphus virginal (Molly Day)
> 4. Re: Whacked Philadelphus virginal (Hamptongar@aol.com)
> 5. perennial shrubs (Molly Day)
> 6. Homegrown Weed Killer? (Doreen Howard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:01:10 -0500
> From: "Molly Day" <mollyday1@gmail.com>
> Subject: [GWL] prune it? Philadelphus virginal
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> I did a quick internet search because ours has also been in the ground for 5
> years without flowering. BBC gardening calls it a beginner's plant and maybe
> so but not so much with the flowering part.
> At the Master Gardener's Conference in Little Rock AK this year I saw one in
> bloom and it increased my interest in coaxing flowers. Bloom food made no
> difference. Ours is planted in the same general light, water, etc. situation
> as the full-of-flowers one I saw.
>
> Equally frustrated and equally out of ideas, I think I'll follow the BBC
> advice and cut it back. That method makes other perennial shrubs such as
> fortsythia bloom.
>
> "Time to prune: July to August . . .To keep plants in shape, cut back shoots
> to a strong buds every year after flowering. On older plants, also remove
> roughly a quarter of the oldest branches each year to encourage new growth.
> ."
> Martha in Muskogee
>
> On 9/15/07, loisdan@juno.com <loisdan@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Any suggestions? We've had our Philadelphus Virginal for five years and
> > it has never bloomed. Tried superphosphate this year -- nothing. At first
> > we thought, it might be "not enough sun" until I went on Gardenweb, where
> > there was a whole lot of conjecture about the virginal strain being no
> > good, about Wayside plants not growing, etc., etc., etc. My husband says
> > pull it out, but it is a lush and beautiful mature shrub at this point
> > and I'm very determined to make it bloom!
> >
> > I've heard either full sun or part shade is OK. My Lily-of-the-Valley
> > struggle with too much light in the same spot, and the Iris bloom, so I
> > was thinking I had enough light. We are really, really frustrated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lois de Vries
> > Visit http://loisdevries.blogspot.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:13:38 -0400
> From: Doug Green <d.green@xplornet.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] prune it? Philadelphus virginal
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> Dirr says they can be cut to the ground. And given their propensity to
> be a fast-growing shrub, I'd be really tempted to not feed them other
> than a shovel of compost in the fall or spring. Overfeeding is going to
> make them grow big, fast, lush without a heavy bloom.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sat, 2007-15-09 at 17:01 -0500, Molly Day wrote:
> > I did a quick internet search because ours has also been in the ground for 5
> > years without flowering. BBC gardening calls it a beginner's plant and maybe
> > so but not so much with the flowering part.
> > At the Master Gardener's Conference in Little Rock AK this year I saw one in
> > bloom and it increased my interest in coaxing flowers. Bloom food made no
> > difference. Ours is planted in the same general light, water, etc. situation
> > as the full-of-flowers one I saw.
> >
> > Equally frustrated and equally out of ideas, I think I'll follow the BBC
> > advice and cut it back. That method makes other perennial shrubs such as
> > fortsythia bloom.
> >
> > "Time to prune: July to August . . .To keep plants in shape, cut back shoots
> > to a strong buds every year after flowering. On older plants, also remove
> > roughly a quarter of the oldest branches each year to encourage new growth.
> > ."
> > Martha in Muskogee
> >
> > On 9/15/07, loisdan@juno.com <loisdan@juno.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > Any suggestions? We've had our Philadelphus Virginal for five years and
> > > it has never bloomed. Tried superphosphate this year -- nothing. At first
> > > we thought, it might be "not enough sun" until I went on Gardenweb, where
> > > there was a whole lot of conjecture about the virginal strain being no
> > > good, about Wayside plants not growing, etc., etc., etc. My husband says
> > > pull it out, but it is a lush and beautiful mature shrub at this point
> > > and I'm very determined to make it bloom!
> > >
> > > I've heard either full sun or part shade is OK. My Lily-of-the-Valley
> > > struggle with too much light in the same spot, and the Iris bloom, so I
> > > was thinking I had enough light. We are really, really frustrated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lois de Vries
> > > Visit http://loisdevries.blogspot.com
> > > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:36:43 -0500
> From: "Molly Day" <mollyday1@gmail.com>
> Subject: [GWL] Whacked Philadelphus virginal
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> Well, then, tomorrow I will do more than take out a fourth of it. I shall
> whack it like a forsythia - local gardeners find that a good whacking makes
> many non-blooming perennial shrubs and vines such as wisteria bloom again.
> Their theory is that the plant's survival is threatened and it is triggered
> to make seeds to survive, ergo flowers.
> So much to learn, Martha in Muskogee
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Doug Green <d.green@xplornet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dirr says they can be cut to the ground. And given their propensity to
> > be a fast-growing shrub, I'd be really tempted to not feed them other
> > than a shovel of compost in the fall or spring. Overfeeding is going to
> > make them grow big, fast, lush without a heavy bloom.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Sat, 2007-15-09 at 17:01 -0500, Molly Day wrote:
> > > I did a quick internet search because ours has also been in the ground
> > for 5
> > > years without flowering. BBC gardening calls it a beginner's plant and
> > maybe
> > > so but not so much with the flowering part.
> > > At the Master Gardener's Conference in Little Rock AK this year I saw
> > one in
> > > bloom and it increased my interest in coaxing flowers. Bloom food made
> > no
> > > difference. Ours is planted in the same general light, water, etc.
> > situation
> > > as the full-of-flowers one I saw.
> > >
> > > Equally frustrated and equally out of ideas, I think I'll follow the BBC
> > > advice and cut it back. That method makes other perennial shrubs such as
> > > fortsythia bloom.
> > >
> > > "Time to prune: July to August . . .To keep plants in shape, cut back
> > shoots
> > > to a strong buds every year after flowering. On older plants, also
> > remove
> > > roughly a quarter of the oldest branches each year to encourage new
> > growth.
> > > ."
> > > Martha in Muskogee
> > >
> > > On 9/15/07, loisdan@juno.com <loisdan@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions? We've had our Philadelphus Virginal for five years
> > and
> > > > it has never bloomed. Tried superphosphate this year -- nothing. At
> > first
> > > > we thought, it might be "not enough sun" until I went on Gardenweb,
> > where
> > > > there was a whole lot of conjecture about the virginal strain being no
> > > > good, about Wayside plants not growing, etc., etc., etc. My husband
> > says
> > > > pull it out, but it is a lush and beautiful mature shrub at this point
> > > > and I'm very determined to make it bloom!
> > > >
> > > > I've heard either full sun or part shade is OK. My Lily-of-the-Valley
> > > > struggle with too much light in the same spot, and the Iris bloom, so
> > I
> > > > was thinking I had enough light. We are really, really frustrated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Lois de Vries
> > > > Visit http://loisdevries.blogspot.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > gardenwriters mailing list
> > > > gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:19:13 EDT
> From: Hamptongar@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Whacked Philadelphus virginal
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> Several in this thread have referred to the plant as a perennial shrub.
> Now, just what is a 'perennial shrub'?
>
>
> Andrew Messinger
> The Hampton Gardener
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:49:33 -0500
> From: "Molly Day" <mollyday1@gmail.com>
> Subject: [GWL] perennial shrubs
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> Dear Andrew,
>
> About my use of 'perennial shrub' and the definition: It is an unofficial
> term for any woody plant that is not a tree and has not died under my best
> care.
>
> Martha
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Hamptongar@aol.com <Hamptongar@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Several in this thread have referred to the plant as a perennial shrub.
> > Now, just what is a 'perennial shrub'?
> >
> >
> > Andrew Messinger
> > The Hampton Gardener
> >
> > The Hampton Gardener is a Registered Trade Mark
> > (Published every Thursday in the Southampton Press, The Press and the
> > Easthampton Press)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:39:57 -0500
> From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva@charter.net>
> Subject: [GWL] Homegrown Weed Killer?
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> There was interesting short in the Sept. issue of The Avant Gardener about
> pulverizing dried marigolds (Tagetes minuta) and adding the powder to mulch
> spread over growing beds. According to research in India, the marigolds kill
> weeds such as barnyard grass and purple nutsedge. Does anyone know about this
> study or have further information?
> Doreen Howard
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