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Re: Gardenweb web site (Winning)

Hi Helen,
      There is a difference between striving to do something well, and
trying to beat people. If I work hard to produce something of merit, it does
not mean that my motivation was to beat someone. In many areas of life there
is no obvious competitor for you to win against. Medical breakthroughs, new
discoveries, computers, etc. are the work of people trying to make something
worthwhile. In many cases, there was no competition. Bill Gates may be a
winner, but the reason we have laws against monopolies is that the rest of
us become the losers when someone "wins" to that extent. If he has no real
competition, he can set his price anywhere he wants, and he has no incentive
to provide a worthwhile product, or an updated one. Sports are about winning
(maybe a little too much now) but you have to remember why we have sports.
They are mock warfare that we substitute for the real thing to provide a
healthy and controlled outlet for our natural aggressiveness and
dominance-seeking behavior.
      Plant societies begin to fall apart when they become a battleground
for someone's misplaced aggression. What is there to be "won"? What do you
"win" by successfully dominating others in a plant society? Some will go to
great lengths to find or make a situation where they can control others.
What is their motivation? If they feel a need to control others, it is
always born of a need to control either themselves or their surroundings. I
don't think anyone can say that hosta-open was created to let Joanne and Dan
have a place where they can make us jump to their tune.
       We're here to talk about hosta, not play "King-of-the-Hill". The
people in the forum are friends, not enemies.

.........Bill Meyer

> Without people who strive to be the best, who strive to 'win', who have
> ambition, we would be mired in a world of mediocrity.  There would be no
> Olympics - nobody would compete. There would no medical breakthroughs,
> no new discoveries, and certainly no computers with which to
> communicate.  Ask Bill Gates how he feels about winning.
> Helen
> Traveler200000@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >       On
> > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 06:43:04 -0500
> >
> >      Andrew wrote;
> >
> >     >>> But as for his job of policing, when you're number one in your
> >
> > field, you're going to cross the finish line all alone.  Winning is
> > not about
> > making everyone a friend, it's about being the best at what you do.
> > <<<
> >
> >      My dear Andrew, I don't believe there is anything that you have
> > written
> > to date that I could disagree with you more on!!
> >      ANYONE that is remotely concerned with "winning" has and is
> > abjectly
> > lost already. In fact possibly so lost that there may be no hope at
> > all of
> > any recovery possibility or room for the freedom of new insight.
> > "Policing",
> > "number one", comes from a need to control that originates from a
> > feeling of
> > having no control at all. This adventure that we call Life is not
> > about
> > winning anything. It is about harmony, balance, cooperation,
> > coexistence,
> > serenity and peace of mind and spirit. To be obsessed with "winning"
> > is to be
> > fixed in loss.
> >      This insight from a man who has been the consummate "winner." I
> > have
> > entered and won more competitions (primarily with myself) than I can
> > count.
> > The concern for winning is a disease that feeds on itself and
> > eventually
> > consuming all else, and being the starving voracious creature it is,
> > dies in
> > an empty and lonely place.
> >      To truly "WIN" is to surrender, give up and free ones self of the
> >
> > burden that out weights all others, the driving "need" to be "better
> > than."
> > All of this originates from a primal reality of feeling "less than"
> > and
> > unequal to everyone else. Andrew to "finnish alone" is the saddest
> > reality I
> > can imagine.
> >      I take TOTAL issue with your statement. I perceive that "Winning
> > is not
> > about making everyone a friend" but being "a friend to man." It's not
> > about
> > "being the best at what you do" but "being the best person that you
> > can be"
> >      The man who has truly "won" has no need to win at all.
> >
> >                                                       Jim Towle......

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