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Re: Reaction Dynamics

  • Subject: Re: Reaction Dynamics
  • From: Bill Nash <raffi@sympatico.ca>
  • Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:10:26 -0400

re: action & reaction dynamics

I Will, will put a motion on this floor; that all 
'Mumbo-Jumbo-Named'-hostas, do hereafter, carry the species name in 
front,  just so everyone knows what the given named-plant was derived 
from.  Like for example, if the sample-hosta is from sieboldiana species 
pedigree, then what is wrong with referring to it as H. *sieboldiana* 
'Mumbo Jimbo Named'? <bwg>

And if nobody be opposed: this might be the greatest undertaking hostadom 
has seen?

<just making funny?> - please do ignore!

        /bill nash, canada, zone 4
<<--- in response to original email below --->>
At 04:47 PM 08/03/2001 -0400, Jim Hawes wrote:
>I am amazed at the variable answers that one gets to a simple question.
>You raised a simple question yesterday regarding the darned confusion
>for use of species names on some plants which are not species but
>hybrids, such as H. montana 'Mountain Snow' . You received three
>responses so far..one from Bill Meyer indicating it is a species
>selection from  wild montana populations in Japan, a second from Mike
>Lemke indicating a reason is not necessary, and a third from Holland
>which suggested keeping the species name. No reason was given  for the
>suggestions from Holland. I assumed they were  based on the assumptions
>that the information provided by Bill Meyer was correct because other
>similar examples were provided (H.montana  'Choko Nishiki' and H.kikutii
>'Red Neck Heaven') to show where use of species names is suggested to
>provide more useful information.
>Before commenting myself, I have waited several hours to see if any
>other listserv subscribers  wanted to comment with more correct answers.
>With none forthcoming, my comments follow.
>One of my best friends, Bill Meyer, is always helpful with miscellaneous
>hosta information to Hosta -open. He is very knowledgable of hostas but
>sometimes we all  make insignificant mistakes. He offered his opinion
>that since H. montana 'Mountain Snow' was collected in the wild, this is
>the criteria ( the reason) to employ the species name in front of the
>horticulture name.
>The subscriber from Holland converted this opinion into a "fact"  by
>accepting Bill's erroneous opinion and reiterated this opinion in a
>fashion  without  mentioning Bill as the source. He erroneously asssumed
>that  'Mountain Snow'  originated as a sport or hybrid selection in the
>wild from a montana species population.
>The fact is that H. 'Mountain Snow' is a white margined sport of H.
>'Aureomarginata' found in tissue culture lab by Mark Zilis and
>registered by IRA in 1988. It is  not a plant collect in the wild. For
>more details see Schmid, page 195
>The fact that a minor error occurred in making incorrect assumptions
>about 'Mountain Snow' is not  serious.. The fact that this error was
>"borrowed" by someone without being aware of the error and not
>mentioning the source of the error IS serious. He copied information
>that was erroneous, used it as his own facts,  without indicating the
>source of this information. He exposed himself, "flagrante delicto" in
>a  pattern of using the information of others without attribution and
>without adequately checking whether it was factual or not.
>Now that I have interpreted, expressed and commented upon what actually
>happened, the reaction dynamics to my post probably will be magnified
>ten fold and we will be off to the races in a long discussion on
>Reaction Dynamics. BTW, Bill is unaware that I have posted this message.
>Jim Hawes
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