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Re: Great Expectations

  • Subject: Re: Great Expectations
  • From: michael shelton <wilddog_202@yahoo.com>
  • Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:31:40 -0700 (PDT)

Butch Says;

George I produced hardwood mulch at a compost facility
like you see on Victory Garden with huge piles moved
around with 5 yard front end loaders. Since it was my
business I studied compost and researched its use and
value. For those interested get on the net and start
looking for work on mulch.

One of the biggest things I learned is how hard if not
impossible to change the basic soil anywhere. But if
you apply compost from a local producer who is
composting local green and brown material it will
change the main growing area (down say 12 inches)
greatly. Apply 3 inches per year and after about 3
years it will eat up about an amount equal to the new
application. This is done by the normal process of
nature turning debris in to soil. The most important
part is a fungus called Glamoles (a lady at USDA did
ground breaking work Ha HA) which turns the compost
into is basic ions.

The biggest thing is DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT till it in
which interferes with the process. I have grown hosta
that a horse can't jump over in heavy clay soil as red
a your Ga red clay with only compost as fertilizer.
The big advantage to this natural process is the
plants are more drought, water, disease, pest
resistant than any form of planting method such as
sphagnum, pro-mix and all the fancy planting holes
people use. As the compost decomposes it migrates down
into the soil and alters the soil. It may need a
little nitrogen but that's all and of course compost
tea is all the same process I'm talking about.

If you follow this process Ph will not be a problem
regardless of where you are, GA, IA, KY. If you make
this 2-4 inch application of mulch in the fall it will
also slow down spring emergence which saves those late
frost problems.

--- "W. George Schmid" <hostahill@Bellsouth.net>

 I don't fertilize it
> a lot and it seems to
> do better in organic soils where the fertilizer is
> organic. The only "made"
> fertilizer I use in my garden is Osmocote, 9-month
> formula with minors, and
> apply that very, very sparingly after growth starts
> in spring. Less is
> better. Other than that, GE gets lots of water using
> a trickler.
> My advice is lots of sun, more in the North, lots of
> water, don't
> over-fertilize and use mild, slow-release organics
> only (how about compost
> tea!). Never leave fertilizer pellets or grains on
> the leaves. That white
> tissue is very sensitive. With GE, patience is a
> virtue (well, it always
> is!).
> Also be advised that not all TC explants are exactly
> alike. Most, if not all
> of the problems are most likely
> the result of transposible elements jumping around.
> That results in numbers
> of slightly off-types hitting the market. When
> hostas are propagated
> vegetatively you will see that some hostas will have
> a range of minor
> variation. Just think of the many different forms of
> Francee and Patriot.
> Likewise, GE has a number of different forms that
> are out there. Some TC
> labs sell to the mass market and you can see the
> quality (or non-quality) of
> the work when you find some streaked plants among
> the plants. I have seen
> some that had all-white leaves. So a combination of
> transposable elements
> and careless culling can cause off-forms to be
> marketed. I am not accusing
> anyone. I am just telling you what I know. All it
> takes is for someone to
> take an off-type clone and use it as a TC starter
> clone and it is easy to
> see how the quality of the starting clone can
> deteriorate. Add to that the
> uncontrollable transposable elements and you have a
> situation where some GEs
> just don't have it. Don't blame anyone, that is just
> the way it is.
> George
> W. George Schmid
> Hosta Hill - Tucker Georgia USA
> Zone 7a - 1188 feet AMSL
> 84-12'-30" West_33-51' North
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