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Re: 2004 Hosta registrations

  • Subject: Re: 2004 Hosta registrations
  • From: "Tim Saville" timsaville@breathe.com
  • Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:12:53 +0100

Hi Bobby
Firstly I did not intend to suggest that certain folk had "stolen" a name.
Just used one already out there, perhaps in total ignorance of that fact. I
did suggest tho' that folk naming hosta might be wise to register or they
might need to rename.
My reference to 6000 hosta does suggest that there are as many unregistered
as registered hosta. I would love to be able to have all of them in my
garden BUT presently I am downsizing my small collection aiming at the 500
figure eventually. The problem  is that as some get older they look better!
My Embroidery and Kaliban are pure magic this year for example.
So, the 6000 figure refers to the number in my data base and I believe in a
few others. Hence my looking for the easy life where hosta names are of one
word and that is unique. This bucks the trend of course where names get
longer and longer and longer.
And emails get longer ............
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Baxter - Wake Forest, NC" <irismoose@daylily.net>
To: <hosta-open@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: 2004 Hosta registrations

> Tim, the new 2004 checklist indicates that there is a total of 3,227
> registered hostas.  You mention the number of "over 6,000". Are these
> other hostas that you refer to only in commerce under "garden names"?
> It is hard for me to imagine that nearly an equal number registered and
> unregistered (though supposedly named) hostas are in commerce.  If this is
> the case then why would hybridizers be so irresponsible to reject the
> registration process that would only benefit them and their business.
> what I have also read, the registration fee is only $5, but the AHosS
> pay this fee if no money were sent with the registration.
> I would love to hear from different people why they feel hybridizers have
> chosen in the past not to comply with the registration process, and also
> some continue to reject the registration process.
> Tim, you also mentioned over 6,000 names to juggle.  Is this a reference
> it becoming difficult to come up with new names, or do you have over 6,000
> named (registered and unregistered) hostas in your garden?   The daylily
> society has 57,655 named cultivars that are either registered.or the name
> reserved.  I can not even imagine that coming up with new names for
> daylilies is difficult since the ICNCP allows for up to 30 characters
> (spaces excluded) and no limit to the number of syllables used in a name.
> It is a shame that people are registering new hostas using names of other
> people's unregistered plants.  This appears to be taking advantage of
> someone else's effort to popularize their own hosta by using their name.
> Just because something can be done within the guidelines, it does not make
> it right to do so ( I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV so I
> choose not to debate the ethics vs legality of this issue).  I would say
> however, that the originator of hosta that does not register their plant
> chosen to operate outside of the accepted practices of the hobby and
> But the person that selects one of these popular and unregistered names to
> use on their hosta can also been seen in several ways as acting
> inappropriately.
> If the hybridizer of popular unregistered hostas is not deceased, then I
> would favor the AHosS to take it upon themselves to officially register
> these plants.  However, if the hybridizer of these popular unregistered
> plants is still alive, then they should submit the appropriate paperwork
> bring their plants into compliance with the accepted practices of naming
> hostas under the guidelines of ICNCP.  The AHosS would be doing a great
> service if they notified these people that they have one year to bring
> plants into compliance.  Perhaps the AHosS could even consider these
> unregistered plants to be under "reserved" status for a period of year,
> protecting those names from being used by others.  If at the end of that
> year, the plants are not in compliance, then shame on the hybridizer for
> choosing not to register.  If this were the case, then I would not feel
> about other people using these names for new registrations.
> Glorious Gardening,
> Bobby
> Bobby Baxter
> Happy Moose Gardens
> http://happymoosegardens.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Saville" <timsaville@breathe.com>
> To: <hosta-open@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:09 AM
> Subject: Re: 2004 Hosta registrations
> > On a tangent it is interesting (and confusing ) to find that 2004 has
> > similar to 2003 in as much as there are two or three registrations where
> > name known to me has been used to register another's hosta. In 2003 Ron
> > Livingston was particularly unlucky I thought  to get two of his unusual
> > monikers "confiscated". I guess registration as soon as possible must be
> > the
> > answer for all us data-rites, unless you use a prefix of course. Life is
> > tough enuff when you have over 6000 names to juggle.
> > Tim OTP
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <ctuttle39@juno.com>
> > To: <hosta-open@hort.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:56 PM
> > Subject: 2004 Hosta registrations
> >
> >
> >> Has anyone received a copy of the listing of the 2004 Hosta
> >> -- or has it been published yet?
> >>
> >> Charles Tuttle
> >>
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