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Re: getting ready for winter

  • Subject: Re: getting ready for winter
  • From: butch ragland wilddog_202@yahoo.com
  • Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:05:29 -0800 (PST)

I've never grown hosta under walnuts but I do still
beat my wife. 

--- banyaihsta@aol.com wrote:

> Butch, have grown hosta under walnut for years.  
>  
> Actually planted the Carpathian walnut for both
> shade and nuts - it is the one that pops the shell
> when the meat is ready to eat. Unfortunately, the
> squirrels have better ears to hear when the shelled
> nuts hit the ground.
>  
> bruce 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: butch ragland <wilddog_202@yahoo.com>
> To: hosta-open@hort.net
> Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: getting ready for winter
> 
> 
> This follows my theory that this site should teach
> and
> learn.
> 
> Here is what I found which says I was wrong. At this
> site are listed plants that have grown under black
> walnut tree. Hosta is listed as a plant that is not
> affected by the juglone.
> 
> http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/1000/1148.html
> 
> "The roots of Black Walnut (Juglans nigra L.) and
> Butternut (Juglans cinerea L.) produce a substance
> known as juglone (5-hydroxy-alphanapthaquinone).
> Persian (English or Carpathian) walnut trees are
> sometimes grafted onto black walnut rootstocks. Many
> plants such as tomato, potato, blackberry,
> blueberry,
> azalea, mountain laurel, rhododendron, red pine and
> apple may be injured or killed within one to two
> months of growth within the root zone of these
> trees.
> The toxic zone from a mature tree occurs on average
> in
> a 50 to 60 foot radius from the trunk, but can be up
> to 80 feet. The area affected extends outward each
> year as a tree enlarges. Young trees two to eight
> feet
> high can have a root diameter twice the height of
> the
> top of the tree, with susceptible plants dead within
> the root zone and dying at the margins." 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Viktoria Serafin <viktoria@glenbrookplants.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > "I knew that hosta don't do so well under
> walnut..."
> > 
> > Why not?  I have hundreds of hostas growing under
> > walnuts and I have 
> > observed no ill effects.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: getting ready for winter
> > 
> > 
> > > All true but I suggest that one learns what
> > > specifically should be done about the problems
> > that
> > > hosta DO suffer from. Southern Blight is a soil
> > borne
> > > fungus, it must be treated at appropriate times
> in
> > its
> > > life cycle and fall "cleanup" is not one of
> those
> > > times.
> > > Our gardens are not "natural habitats" but they
> do
> > > resemble natural habitats in that more natural
> > rules
> > > do apply than don't.
> > > I offer that this is a place to teach and learn
> so
> > the
> > > hobby gardener can learn the things that will
> help
> > and
> > > those that will hurt. Ray for example is a well
> > known
> > > good grower, so if he researches my position and
> > comes
> > > back and teaches me what I don't know and
> > reaffirms
> > > what I do know.
> > > I knew that hosta don't do so well under walnut
> > and
> > > water maples but did not know that they suffer
> > under
> > > magnolia grandiflora. As others add what are
> good
> > > canopy and bad canopy tress we all move forward.
> > > To not use this type of forum to teach and learn
> > dumbs
> > > down the whole. I know that was not your
> > intention,
> > > I'm asking you to rethink your approach.
> > >
> > > --- "W. George Schmid" <hostahill@Bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gentlepersons,
> > >> You are right, yet you may be a bit wrong, too!
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I agree, Mother Nature does it best. I
> spend
> > >> many days in the Blue
> > >> Ridge mountains during all seasons and I marvel
> > at
> > >> the way everything works.
> > >> The woods soil is something to die for and it
> is
> > the
> > >> accumulation of eons of
> > >> falling leaves and needles, not to speak of
> > branches
> > >> and even trees. To see
> > >> rows of native orchids growing on a rotting
> tree
> > >> trunk in Slickrock
> > >> Wilderness is a wonder.
> > >>
> > >> In Japan hostas grow the same way. Their native
> > >> habitat provides all they
> > >> need, just as our native plants feed on
> nature's
> > own
> > >> detritus;
> > >>
> > >> BUT
> > >>
> > >> Hostas are strangers in our world. What I am
> > getting
> > >> at is that our native
> > >> conditions may present challenges hostas do not
> > face
> > >> in their native
> > >> habitat. I have never seen heat-dormant hostas
> in
> > >> Japan as one would see
> > >> here in the baking, hot South. My point is that
> > >> hostas are not endemic to
> > >> North America and there is a possibility that
> > here
> > >> they may encounter
> > >> adverse conditions and/or virulent pests
> unknown
> > in
> > >> Japan. Another point is
> > >> that gardens are not a native habitat. There is
> > no
> > >> balance of nature in
> > >> gardens. Grow hostas under a Magnolia
> grandiflora
> > >> and leave all the leaf
> > >> detritus in place during late fall and winter
> and
> > >> you will find out very
> > >> quickly that the hostas will quickly disappear.
> > >>
> > >> It may be better for inexperienced gardeners to
> > >> clean up before winter. The
> > >> old hats at gardening know where to look for
> > warning
> > >> signs under all that
> > >> trash. A newcomer may not know and find out too
> > late
> > >> that Southern blight
> > >> has attacked and decimated his precious hostas
> > while
> > >> they were covered up.
> > >> Let's see now: I have never seen reports of
> > Southern
> > >> blight attacking native
> > >> hostas in Japan. QED!
> > >>
> > >> My nickel's worth with apologies to those who
> > have
> > >> been able to make their
> > >> garden a "natural" habitat. George
> > >>
> > >> W. George Schmid
> > 
> >
>
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Butch 
Conflict is as addictive as 
cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes,etc
I'm sorry to report that
cooperation is not

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