Re: hosta-open DIGEST V1 #400
I would like, at least in my comments on the issue, to speak of technical
articles as opposed to scientific articles. I've made up my own definitions.
If we go to the Fall 1999 issue of the Journal and look at the two articles
by Ed Elslager, I would consider them scientific articles. If the same information
had been summarized into 2 pages of narrative per article, I would consider
that a technical article. Based on my definitions, technical articles contain
everything of interest in a scientific article, but leave out all of the
stuff that nobody reads.
My vote is for more technical articles and no scientific articles in the
I know that there probably are some people in the society who actually went
through Ed's charts to see the range of offset size, in inches, 30 and 60
days after treatment for each and every cultivar seedling group in the study.
And there are probably some who actually drooled over the number of offsets,
total and average, for each and every individual seedling, in groups BC1
all the way through WL8, both 30 and 60 days after treatment. Personally,
I think that most of us would find the articles just as interesting without
the charts and references. I think for most of us, Ed's conclusions, which
took up half a page in the second article, told us everything we needed to
know about the information in the 3 pages of charts.
I hope Ed doesn't take offense, and he probably couldn't care less what I
think, but I don't feel that the tables and references included with these
articles add anything to their value to the vast majority of readers of the
AHS Journal. I realize that scientific articles need to have this information
so other scientists can judge the value of the work, but of the 4000 or so
AHS members, I would be surprised if 5 read these pages. The research is
valuable. The findings are valuable. We need to know about this stuff. And
many of us are extremely interested in what Ed is finding. But I don't need,
and I suspect that very few of the rest of the Journal readers need to know
the detailed information about each individual plant or group of plants in
If you think that a significant number of Journal readers actually benefited
from the publication of the charts and references, as opposed to summarizing
the research and the findings in a readable and interesting format, meaning
that they actually read the charts and references and thereby increased their
understanding of the subject, then I can see why you would want to see more
of it. If you suspect, like I do, that not one out of a hundred bothered
to look at these pages, then I don't understand the point of publishing it
in the Journal. What do we lose by asking that the scientific information
be presented in an interesting and readable format suitable for the vast
majority of people reading the publication?
Dan & Lu Nelson wrote:
If there's not room in the AHS Journal
for in depth hosta science articles then we are fortunate that another publication
is going to publish this material. I personally believe the problem has
more to do with conflicting personality types than it is about space or
In the AHS Journal V.32, #2 room was found
for 8 full pages to list introductions by a well know hosta person. This
information is already available to AHS members. I can find lots of other
room in this issue that could be used for science articles such as the two
pages of notes from the Ed**or, three pages for the Reg**trar's report, a
whole page soliciting for nominations for the Alex Summers Award, ten pages
of......, and a page and a half of 'In good hands'.....
The bottom line is that there is room
for science articles and room for hosta fluff in the AHS Journal. Loosing
the science articles from the AHS Journal will be regretted in the long
run but by then those who baked this cake will be long gone.
P.S. Take another look at this issue.
If not for George and Warren......there would be no scientific material
at all. I doubt there's five pages of science out of 86 pages.
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