Hurrah! After seven years my succulent P. crassipes I got from the Hortus botanicus over here in Amsterdam once decided: a) to grow more in one year that in the three previous ones b) to flower for the first time There is a nice bud on a stem now Any succulent species experts out there knowing what I can expect? BTW - when seeing releatives of my crassipes (other species of the same groop) that were obviously well over 20 years of age so had formed wonderful strangely formed stems of over a meter at the famous Fibrex nurseries (the mother plants of the National Pelargonium Collection they house in the UK) my husband told me: That ones I like - we should have those too! I then told him we had a couple of those - and that they would look like that when we both would have grown white hair <VBG>! -- Mimy Sluiter e-mail: m*@wxs.nl