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RE: [WILD] Keeper of Sheep and Old Roses?

Dear Cathy,

Yes, "Cabbage Roses" is a common term applied to many old roses. 
Centifolias, as this group is called,  were introduced in the 1600's
by the Dutch.  Originally there existed over 200 varieties.  Given
there are 10 major groupings of old roses with more or less "hundreds
of roses" in each group, that's a lot of old roses. And guess what
color most of them are ? yip, pink. And most are fragrant and hardy.
But that doesn't mean identifying your grandmother's rose is
impossible. (2'' blooms helps narrow the field.)  I do wish I had an
answer for you. (I still have a half a dozen found roses myself that
I yet to identify.)  Is your grandmothers roses still available ?  I
would suggest propagating some cuttings if it was. 

The true Cabbage rose, Rosa Centifolia, has a wonderful fragrance.
But is not the 2'' blooms. One source I looked up (Vintage Garden-no
pictures in catalogue) says,"Those who remember old 'Cabbage Roses'
from their grandmothers' gardens should look at the group called
Hybrid Perpetuals." (Really, and it's the most common question I get
on old roses.)   Hybrid Perpetuals are a huge group. Eek...

Check out websites like GardenWeb  ........
http://www.gardenweb.com

They are a Forum (post and answer questions) and have a new forum
called "Rose Gallery", were you can send in a picture and others can
help you identify your rose. Check our their other forums also. Great
fun.

A beautiful site with great information and lovely pictures 
(my favorite site) is Yesterday's Roses at : 
http://www.halcyon.com  

At the "Rose Poster", click "Old European Roses", 
go to Centifolias and check out "Fantin-Latour" and then
"Petite de Hollande". (Could these be what you are looking for?)

Other good sites would be:
http://www.texas-rose-rustlers.com/
http://springvalleyroses.com/

Sources for old roses with delightful $5. catalogues: Heirloom Old
Garden Roses  1-503-538-1576.   Vintage Gardens 1-707-829-2035.  
Antique Rose Emporium 1-800-441-0002. (also has a identification fact
sheet you can fill out and they will try to help you. Photos help.) 

You might also check out books in your library.
I would also be interested in which roses you bought with hopes they
were "the one" ?

Sincerely,       
Carleen Rosenlund of Rainier, Oregon -USDA-8
Sweetbriar - Keeper of Sheep & Old Roses
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> From: copper.net <gessler@copper.net>

> Carleen,
> 
>     Do you know alot about old roses?  My Grandmother used to have
little
> pink roses (about 2" in diam.) that she called Cabbage Roses.  They
had the
> most beautiful and profuse fragrance I've ever been around.  They
were more
> than doubles, they had a huge amount of petals packed into those
small
> blooms.  I would love to have a start of them.  They smelled so
wonderful
> and they practically took care of themselves!  I've bought all
sorts of
> roses thinking they were the ones, but I haven't found them yet.  I
don't
> know if "Cabbage Roses" is a common term or if her Pennsylvania
Dutch
> background is shown in this name, but if you, or anyone else, knows
about
> them and/or where I can get them, I'd be so grateful.
> 
>     Cathy of Ohio
> 
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