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Re: New Rose beds -Reply -Reply -Reply

Makes sense to me.  Why aren't the "oldies but
goodies" getting re-educated?  I know I've read
this in Graham Thomas, David Austin,
Heirloom and SOOOOO many other places.

>>> "Dave Amorde"
<dave_amorde@msn.com> 05/27/98 10:33am
>>>
Scientists have tried for years to identify some
organism that might cause
such a condition without success. Think about
this logically for a moment -
when you plant a new rose in an old rose hole,
why did you remove the old
rose? usually this happens because the plant
was not performing well. If the
old plant doesn't perform well, but you do
nothing to improve the soil
before replacing it, do you really think the new
one is going to do any
better?
  The important thing to remember is that
there is no organism or plant
hormone in the soil that causes these problems
- all the soil needs is some
organic matter and fertilizer, and possibly a
good flushing with water if
salt buildup is a problem. Specific Replant
Disease is neither a soil borne
organism nor a hormone released by the
previous plants roots. If your soil
is well maintained, you shouldn't have to
"remove" anything in order to
replant.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: SUSAN SAXTON <SS@Schwabe.com>
To: rose-list@eskimo.com
<rose-list@eskimo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: New Rose beds -Reply -Reply


>I can't comment one way or the other, being
>neither an old rosarian, scientist or even as an
>extremely knowledgeable gardener.  They do
>have a whole page about this in Heirloom's
>catalogue and I assume its from their
>experience.  I would love to know what you
are
>saying is true, it sure is a pain in the patukey
to
>remove the soil.  I don't mean to be
>argumentative, I just wouldn't want to find
out
>the hard way!  I've heard so many
nongardeners
>even express the observation that their roses
>die when they plant it where another one was
>(which could be poor gardening practices to
>begin with!).
>
>The observation that they are heavy feeders
>and have depleted the soil surely makes
sense.
>And you'd think if we can send a man to the
>moon, they would be able to detect some
virus
>or bacteria in the soil.  Anyone else out there
>have an comments/thoughts?
>
>>>> "Dave Amorde"
><dave_amorde@msn.com> 05/27/98 09:40am
>>>>
>
>The condition referred to as "Specific Replant
>Desease" is a fallacy! There
>is no known soil borne organism that causes
>such problems. Unfortunately,
>some older texts (and older rosarians!)
continue
>to perpetuate this myth.
>Consider this: Commercial rose growers have
>been growing new roses in old
>beds for years, as have botanical gardens.
What
>is important is that organic
>matter be added on a regular basis (not just
>when replanting,) and good
>gardening practices be maintained. It is a
good
>idea to have soil samples
>from your garden tested before planting, and
>every five years thereafter, to
>screen for mineral deficiencies.
>
>Dave Amorde
>dave_amorde@msn.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SUSAN SAXTON
<SS@Schwabe.com>
>To: rose-list@eskimo.com
><rose-list@eskimo.com>
>Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 9:59 AM
>Subject: Re: New Rose beds -Reply
>
>
>>It's actually more than that -- there is some
>>"mysterious" rose virus that seems to carry
>over
>>in the soil.  You should remove as much of
>the
>>soil as possible when planting a rose in the
>>same place as another one was.  I try to
>remove
>>at least 2 x 2 or more.
>>
>>>>> <rcdavis@reach.net> 05/27/98
06:27am
>>>>>
>>At 11:33 AM 5/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>>I have never heard that. I can't image why.
>>>Anyone have a clue ?
>>>Perhaps because of settling of new soil.
>>>Guess I could have waited for the rain to
>>>press it down... Not...
>>
>>I have heard however, that you shouldn't
>plant
>>roses in old beds where
>>roses have grown before.  This is due to the
>fact
>>that roses are very heavy
>>feeders, and the soil would be depleated of
>vital
>>nutrients.
>>
>>Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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