Re: Re: good and bad roses, scent and repeat

**J*@aol.com**

In a message dated 10/01/2001 8:37:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
abayer@prairie.lakes.com writes:

<< The foliage is a little
 plain-- kinda crinkled dark green leaves. >>

Alicia:

By any chance, is T. B. a rugosa? Sounds like it with the thorns and crinkly, 
or rugose, leaves. What a wonderful description of her...she's definitely on 
my list
now. 

Have you tried Blanc Double de Coubert? She's a rugosa with white tissue 
paper-type delicate that blooms all summer (although my youngster's not 
producing lots yet) and I think has hips but I keep dead-heading them to keep 
her neat and tidy 
looking so not sure about that. Very attractive habit and pretty 
lightish-green foliage. I like her a lot.

<<What's the most maddening is that the market remains one for HTs here since
everybody wants a rose that looks like something from a florist's 
refrigerator.
Come spring, I'm out shopping for new roses and just about everything is a 
HT.>>

Garsh, considering your Z.4, I'm surprised to hear this. We still see H.T.'s 
but predominantly it's hardy shrub roses that are for sale in the Chicago 
area, at least at the nurseries and garden centers that I frequent, including 
Milaeger's up north of
Milwaukee. I don't think they usually have such terrific habit but the range 
of flower colors is mind boggling. The Meidiland and - ack -what the other 
grower starting with an "M" that's French - anyway, those two produce very 
hardy roses, often on their own roots. Is anyone into own-root roses?

BTW, what are some favorite mail order sources for everyone? And what do you 
like about them?

Joanie

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