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Fw: Moving Roses

Joanie,   

> If I wait to move the roses until late Nov., when the ground's
still workable
> but the
> rose's roots aren't so active, would this be safer than early fall?
I don't
> worry about
> most of them but a couple are puny to start with - in this case, 
would it be
> better to
> let them get on with things this fall and wait til spring? How
early does
> frost hit your area? On average, how cold does it get?

Dormant is the goal here. I have moved NEW roses anytime (not in hot
sunshine) as I could put their whole root system in a shovel full.
Otherwise the best time is fall.  I think we get first frost the end
of October.  And I'm told (just moved to this place) it rarely gets
below freezing.

> Sarah van Fleet is nicely bushy on the lower half, but the upper
half must
> have been
> trying to outrun the Japanese beetle as her arms were stretched to
the sun!
> Had to restrain her but she's a  quite attractive rugosa - nasty
thorns tho.

Poor sweetie... I haven't had any Japanese Beetles, just Cucumber
Beetles like crazy. I had read in one of these rose books (only one
mind you) that you should only let roses gain 6-8 inch of new growth
each year.  I think that's extreme, but I am keeping it in mind. My
mother has old roses that are 10 feet tall and very lax and leggy.
Mine I would like to keep as good size, full bushes. Course she has
three and I have almost 100.  I like rugosa's, and enjoy my Hansa and
Blanc Double de Coubert.

> Thanks for the info on encouraging fruiting apple branches - I've
always
> wanted to
> surround the garden fence with Belgain fencing but can't figure out
how to
> keep the
> continuity in the area of shade - the apple tree wouldn't do well
there would
> it? It's 
> about 15' of the fencing.

Wow... that will be a wonderful site. Mine is only going to be about
8 feet long. These directions say to place the trees two feet apart. 
I think I will combine the Belgian and Espaliers idea. The Belgian
Fence all the fruit trees are in Y form.  With espalier the trees
limbs are many and all grown horizonal off one vertical leader. This
would make for less trees per sq.foot.  My trees are one and two
years old so I would have to cut alot back to form the Belgian fence,
less if I Espalier. (Guess we should chat off  the rose-list on this
one.)

> New Rosa rugosa 'Alba" hasn't set hips from it's few but lovely
flowers - is
> this normal the first year?

I would say so. 
A question for the list....
How old is a rose before it is considered mature ???
Four or five years old ?
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