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Re: HYB: February Surprise
  • Subject: Re: HYB: February Surprise
  • From: irischapman@aim.com
  • Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:51:58 -0500


Ther are two steps to producing flowering.
First, flower bud set.  this would ,( for most cultivars) would seem to be 5-6 days with temps between 16-21C (60-72F aprox) , when plant is mature

Next it needs the triggger for initiation of flower bud growth. Normally this is vernalization. 

It would seem that the increases don't start to grow until flower bud set has occured. But flower bud will remain in ready state until it receives it's signal to start growth.

Donald, it would seem your seedling has signals for direct bloom (that is flowers as soon as bud set is induced) , but starts before plant has energy to form flower stalk.

I suspect that if you keep plant in tempeatures outside bud set temperatures, ie: min temp at night below 16C until plant has had some time to gain energy, that flower stalks would be normal. You have a direct bloomer, or a summmer rebloomer. But it would show this better in a cooler climate, where it likely would have summer rebloom, and gain plant energy before being triggered into bud set.

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: thomas silvers <tesilvers@yahoo.com>
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [iris-photos] Re: Re: Re: Re: HYB: February Surprise

Hi Chuck and Donald,

Chuck wrote: "From what I have observed the new increase remain very small, and only starts to grow after flower bud initiation has occurred.The growing point (apical meristem) inhibits growth of increase until it changes state, from a leaf meristen to a flower meristem."

It does appear that the flowering of that central fan has kicked the increase fans into faster growth. I noticed there are actually three not just two like I'd mentioned before. But the one sister seedling has almost equally as well-developed increase fans (2 of them) but doesn't show any sign of wanting to bloom yet. Do you think that there might be a flower bud (or stalk) already developed in the sister seedling that just hasn't decided it's time to elongate yet?

Donald wrote: "I have a seedling that should be a balanced amphidipoid AB that has exhibited odd bloom habits. It first tried to bloom in the heat of summer. Huge bud that never got out of the fan... Then shortly after the bud dried up there came an increase. That new fan then proceeded to repeat the process of the first one within two months, so a fall attempt to bloom. That's quick for new increase. Again I thought it would be a bloomout, but two new fans appeared. Late in the spring season one of those attempted to bloom again. Never got out of the fan enough to open... I'm thinking there's something wrong genetically and that it won't ever straighten out and bloom properly or timely."

I sure hope that this seedling of mine doesn't behave like your AB seedling. It does sound like there might be something wrong with that one. I hope it surprises you though by straightening out. I've heard of hybrids behaving badly until they've had a little time to settle down, so hopefully that'll be the case with these two.

Best wishes, Tom

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