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Re: RE: Analysis of MV's sedlings Part one Tangerine factor

  • Subject: Re: [iris-photos] RE: Analysis of MV's sedlings Part one Tangerine factor
  • From: "Margie Valenzuela" IrisLady@comcast.net
  • Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:32:55 -0700

Chuck, Flights of Fancy is the other parent, and not Fancy Woman. Did you 
mean "Flights of Fancy", or does it matter - - since they are both 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <irischapman@netscape.net>
To: <iris-photos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: [iris-photos] RE: Analysis of MV's sedlings Part one Tangerine 

> "Do proceed, Chuck.  It looks to me like a number of significant dominants 
> and recessives can be seen in the array.  I saw tangerine beard; 
> Progenitor-amoena I(s); Yellow in more than one pattern, the 
> corona/Umbrata combination, plicata alleles expressed; RRA of some 
> sort--at least these, in combination, with varying dosage levels.  What a 
> rich mix!
> Neil"
> And Neil I can see at least four other factors. We're going to go slow and 
> start with the easiest factors and work from there. Some of these we will 
> have to go back and redo as we find new information. This is a really good 
> set of data to wwork with as there are so many parts to sort out.
> The start is to get as much information on the backgrounds as possible. 
> Not only did we get the parents, we got the siblings and the siblings of 
> the seedling parent. All important information.
> To get even more, I stated on the iris checklist data base to get 
> parentage of both Pencil Sketch and Sapphire Hills.  Fancy Woman doesn't 
> need this sort of analysis as it has a number of dominant and recessive 
> genes , but everything is there to see. All its recessives are in 
> homozygous  sets (four recessive genes).
> The checklist gave me a lot of data but as I got farther and farther back, 
> the information got sketchy and the older data was not in the data base. I 
> then went to the HIPS site . There they have photos and family trees of a 
> number of signifiacant historic iris. I only took PS back two generations 
> but took Sapphire Hills back to basically ground zero. ( some of this data 
> will come in later).
> With neither of these parents did I find a  single tangerine factor (t) 
> parent in ancestors.
> We know FW has four "t" genes. So the first westion is how many t's are in 
> the seedling parent, and how does t show its self in the seedlings.
> I'm going to make all those interested do some of the work. These 
> seedlings will take us into some of my new ideas and you all can give me 
> some idea if you think they fit with and explain the data.
> So first set of problems
> 1)What are the possibilities re t in seedling parent.
> 2)How does the data support this
> 3) Any variance and how do you explain this variance/consolidate it with 
> other facts.
> 4) Graduate question -- Has PS or SH had any t phenotype offspring?
> Remember when analysing data we are trying to find genotypes.
> When we have finished with this we will tackle another factor. One at a 
> time as anything else would be too confusing, particular with this many 
> sets of genes floating around.
> Chuck Chapman
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