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Re: {Disarmed} Re: Fwd: A Good Read

  • Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [iris-photos] Fwd: A Good Read
  • From: John I Jones jijones@usjoneses.com
  • Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:23:15 -0700

While Jan is correct in that we do not allow political commentary on 
iris-photos, please leave it to me to deal with.

I will generally take care of it off list and then we don't get a lot 
of spurious (not Spuria) email on the list.



On Jul 24, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Jan Lauritzen wrote:

> I go to Iris Photos for pictures and information about irises and iris 
> people, not for political commentary.  Please direct your commentary 
> to contacts other than those of us at Iris Photos. 
> In regard to your internet info - please check out your sources.  The 
> best place to do so is at Snopes.com.  Here is the site for the story 
> you are passing on to people.  Please go to it and read the whole 
> thing.  Jane Fonda did say many things I did not appreciate but she 
> did not do what this story (legend) claims.
> THEN send us IRIS RELATED stuff.  AND sign your name to it.
> Thank you,  Jan in Chatsworth
>   http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
> Claim:   Jane Fonda betrayed U.S. POWs during the Viet Nam War.
> Status:   Multiple:
>       •       During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized 
> behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs 
> were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war 
> criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had 
> been tortured:   True.
>       •       Jane Fonda handed over to their captors the slips of paper 
> pressed upon her:   False.
>       •       In 1999, Jane Fonda was profiled in ABC's A Celebration: 100 
> of Great Women:   True.
> kpb9012@wmconnect.com wrote:
>> From: "Rick Laatsch" <rlmlo223@earthlink.net>
>> To: "Ann" <keplrng3@verizon.net>
>> Subject: A Good Read
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:49:02 -0500
>> Subject:
>>> In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
>>> Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison 
>>> the "Hanoi Hilton." 
>>> Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
>>> cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
>>> ordered to describe for a visiting American
>>> "Peace Activist" the "lenient and  humane
>>> treatment" he'd received. 
>>> He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
>>> dragged away.
>>> During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
>>> on to the camp Commandant's feet, which  
>>> sent that officer berserk. 
>>> In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still s uffered from
>>> double vision (which permanently ended his
>>> flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
>>> application of a wooden baton. 
>>> From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
>>> 47FW/DO (F-4E's).  He spent 6 years in the
>>> "Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
>>> family only knew he was "missing in action".
>>> His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
>>> His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
>>> clothed routine in preparation for a           
>>> "peace delegation" visit.
>>> They, however, had time and devised a plan to
>>> get word to the world that they were alive    
>>> and still survived.  Each man secreted a tiny
>>> piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
>>> on it, in the palm of his hand.
>>> When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
>>> cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
>>> man's hand and asking little encouraging
>>> snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
>>> babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
>>> treatment from your benevolent captors?"
>>> Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
>>> palmed her their sliver of paper.
>>> She took th em all without missing a beat.  At  the
>>> end of the line and once the camera stopped
>>> rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
>>> she turned to the officer in charge and handed
>>> him all the little pieces of paper. 
>>> Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
>>> Colonel Carrigan was almost number four    
>>> but he survived, which is the only reason we
>>> know of her actions that day. 
>>> I was a civilian economic development advisor
>>> in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
>>> Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
>>> 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. 
>>> I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
>>> year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year        
>>> in a "black box" in Hanoi.
>>> My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
>>> poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
>>> nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
>>> Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
>>> Cambodian border.
>>> At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.      
>>> (My normal weight is 170  lbs.) 
>>> We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." 
>>> When Jane Fonda was in  Hanoi, I was asked by
>>> the camp communist political officer if I would
>>> be willing to meet with her. 
>>> I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
>>> treatment we POWs received... and how
>>> different it was from the treatment purported by
>>> the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
>>> "humane and lenient." 
>>> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
>>> floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
>>> with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
>>> and beaten with a bamboo cane. 
>>> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
>>> soon after I was released.  I asked her              
>>> if she would be willing to debate me on TV. 
>>> She never did answer me. 
>>> These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
>>> someone who should be honored as part        
>>> of "100 Years of Great Women."
>>> Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
>>> should never include a traitor whose hands are
>>> covered with the blood of so many patriots.
>>> There are few things I have strong visceral
>>> reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
>>> blatant treason, is one of them.
>>> Please take the time to forward to as many
>>> people as you possibly can.
>>> It will eventually end up on her computer and
>>> she needs to know that we will never forget.
>>> 716 Maintenance Squadr on, Chief of
>>> Maintenance
>>> DSN: 875-6431
>>> COMM: 883-6343 
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