How can I tell the difference between a true flattie and a regular bloom
that just has weak midribs on standards that flop open in heat and wind
and stay that way?

I'm getting quite a few of those, also not keeping any of them.

Also had one with 5 falls plus 1 standard this year, but assume that was
just a freak of the season.

<I usually rip these out the minute they bloom - took a pic first .

Gary>

Linda Mann east TN USA zone 7