Re'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?

I echo your concerns. As it was registered as a DB, meaning dwarf bearded, it was likely a hybrid as otherwise it would have been registered as a species. It was registered by Miss. Grace Sturtevant. A very active founder of AIS and one of the first to undertake scientific studies of iris genetics and had hybridized very many famous (for their time)iris. Her father was a very estimed botanist and director of the Experimental station at Geneva NY. She was raised thinking plant science.I think we can trust her judgement

Chuck Chapman

"skyland 1" <lmmunro@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Dave and Everyone:
>  I need to ask a 'dumb' question here. If Tid-Bit was an intro of someone 
>(forgot whom, offhand), then it was a cross of something that someone 
>'created'. If so, how could it be a clone of Cengliati?
>Is not Cengliati a 'wild' iris of Europe? Would not the word 'clone' mean 
>identical genetic makeup?
>I kind of suspect you are using the word 'clone' to describe a similar but 
>not necessarily identical genetic blueprint.
>Were one to identify various populations of some species in the wild, and 
>they were distinct geographically, and one had a trait the other did not 
>(for instance deepness of color), are they clones? Does this represent a 
>natural genetic mutation?
>Thanks,
>Laetitia
>
> >From: "David Ferguson" <manzano57@msn.com>
>>Reply-To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [iris-species] 'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?
>>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:01:07 -0600
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Thanks for all the comments.
>>
>>Laetitia,
>>
>>The photo was really helpful.  There is enough detail between the flowers 
>>shown for me to get a fairly good idea what the plant looks like.  I'll do 
>>some more detailed comparing with clones of I. pallida cengialtii, but this 
>>really does look as though it may be another clone of that taxon.  It would 
>>be great to find some history for the plant.  It might help shed a lot of 
>>light on just what it really is to know where it was from (beyond 
>>introducer and date).
>>
>>I lot of MTB's look as if they have cengialtii in their background, but it 
>>isn't always clear from the pedigrees (there are so many numbered seedlings 
>>that were never introduced, and which appear to not have documentation 
>>available - maybe there are breeder notes buried here and there).  Anyway, 
>>this clone looks like maybe another pathway for cengialtii genes to have 
>>gotten into the breeding lines.
>>
>>Now to hunt down a piece and grow it!
>>
>>By the way, I'd be curious to see the other photo.  Even if it may be 
>>wrong, it would be fun to see what it looks like.
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>

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