Re: SV: SPEC-X

 

In the AIS Garden classifications of Iris, any lower taxa below the species level are still Species, and fall under SPEC.  just as they do botanically. SPEC-X is hybrids, In botanical classification it would be the same as the binomials written Genus x species. In fact the botanical definitions for xnames parallel closely SPEC-X. Many people refer to these xnames as a grex. That simply means each name represents a set of species that were involved in these hybrids in nature. Since we were not there for the cross, botanical hybrid names can not determine whether they were first generation, second or more. The difference between botanical and horticultural names is essentially botanists look at what has been formed in nature. Horticultural names look at what is growing in the garden. Obviously if a botanical variety is grown in the garden it now is a cultivated variety. It is currently illegal to use the Latin name as a cultivar name, but they can be renamed. I believe confusion exists because there are two naming systems at work at the same time. The horticultural system is subservient to the botanical system. If one were to write the full name each plant would have either Genus species subspecies 'Cultivar Name' or Genus xspecies 'Cultivar Name'. Today we complicate things even more by adding on trademark and patented names.

From: "Lars HÃpfner" <Hoepfner@privat.dk>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:42:28 AM
Subject: SV: [iris-species] SPEC-X

 

Hi Robert,

Great stuff, but how do you see SP, SSP and var. and this clarification.

Is SP the same as SPEC

And SSP (subspecies) a ?

And var. (variation) a variation of SP.

 

SP, SSP and var. are the typical notations in botanical gardens.

 

Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards

 

Lars HÃpfner

Langengen 38, Svogerslev

4000  Roskilde

Denmark

 

Fra: iris-species@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iris-species@yahoogroups.com] PÃ vegne af Robert Pries
Sendt: 10. januar 2014 22:14
Til: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [iris-species] SPEC-X [1 Attachment]

 

 

Since I am the last living authority on the subject I have prepared the attached document as a statement for history. The AIS may change things in the future but the definition that was approved by my committee should stand and I believe is a fair and workable definition. I has been criticized by people from all sides for 25 years, much like all the other AIS classes and awards but I think it has stood the test of time and no one has shown something better.

From: "Kenneth Walker" <kenww@astound.net>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:56:08 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] SPEC-X

 

As I recall, those who worked to create the category (I don't remember exactly who now) intended it to be a broad category for hybrid iris that did not fit well into other categories. This includes those that might be placed in another category but did not meet modern expectations despite being judged worthy of introduction by the hybridizer.

Ken

On 1/9/2014 8:18 PM, Sean Zera wrote:

 

I'm curious to know that as well. Various AIS sources seem to indicate that it covers any iris hybrid, technically encompassing all the other AIS classes except Species (and Japanese, since they're one species). I was unable to quickly figure out whether there is one official name for the class outside the abbreviation SPEC-X. It is referred to as Species Hybrid, Interspecies and Inter-species on the AIS website. It is not mentioned at all on the Classifications page there. Interspecies is used on AIS ballots. The AIS wiki mentions Species Cross and Species Hybrid.

 

Sean Z

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM, <C*@aol.com> wrote:

 

Someone remind me, please: What is the official SIGNA definition of a SPEC-X?

AMW

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Kramb <d*@badbear.com>
To: iris-species <i*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:41 am
Subject: [iris-species] SPEC-X

 

I added a new section to the SIGNA web page for Spec-X irises.  Please take a look & then let me know if you have any material you can contribute.  I need photos for the gallery. & names of other websites/nurseries that have good Spec-X related stuff (like Tomas Tamberg's site).  Also let me know if I made any mistakes in my explanation of Spec-Xes!

http://www.signa.org/index.pl?SpecX

It's all "under construction" so please excuse broken links & broken photos as you browse.

By the way, if you want to see an insanely cool new Spec-X check out this Cal-Sib on Cascadia Iris Garden's website.  I about fell out of my chair!  (The red one on the lower right.)  I hope they give me permission to use the photo on SIGNA.  :-)

http://www.cascadiairisgardens.com/laevigata.asp

Thanks,
Dennis in Cincinnati

 

 

 


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