Re: naming irises

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I can't be sure my reasoning is in line with that of the well informed but I personally do not equate clone and cultivar even when the cultivar is clonal in the singular sense. I personally set up a conceptual separation that being clonal is simply a characteristic of some cultivars. It a characteristic so not conceptually of the same logical type (not meaning botanical type here!). Is there some tweaking I can do on this?

Bob, all the cautions and qualifications you speak of I can follow perfectly. Not to criticize what you've said in the least, it was very useful, but the question of how to identify or reestablish a cultivar in light of these sorts of things still remains to be answered. So I cast a broad net for ponders even if answers aren't at hand. What are the prospects for resolving these problems systematically and moving towards a methodology for identifying historic irises?,This problem can't be unapproachable on every front? If it ! is then our systematics has an broad area needing conceptual work it seems. If good examples exist on other plant groups fronts then I'd love to hear so I can explore. Or if we are exploring new territory then the iris world could help lay groundwork for others.

Shaub Dunkley