Re: Spec-X?

 

I have grown both Blueberry Filly and Alpha Gnu. Blueberry Filly only survived two years. Alpha Gnu survived well.

I saw nothing with Alpha Gnu,  in growth or flower or bloomtime , that was inconsistent with it being classified as an IB.  Many people who sell Alpha Gnu list it in IB class.

In terms of  white on purple  broken colour, the other plant  that I can think of comparing it to (aside from Blueberry Filly), is Hubbub. And Alpha Gnu compares well.. In the sense that it is an improvement on that IB

The original intent of a species-X class is to cover the plants that are worthy, but don't fit into another  classification as they are curently set up.

As  a hybridizer, I'm familiar with geting a number of similar cultivars from a cross, that are not distinctively differerent  from each other. Or at least not differerent enough to warrent introducing both. The problem then is then to  figure out which is the best of the bunch, and suitable for introduction.  If I had these two up for consideration for introduction, I would be comparing them to each other to figure out which is  the one for introduction.

Chuck Chapman




-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Archer <pharcher@mindspring.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Spec-X?

 
Unfortunatley, I knew I'd get everybody all worked up again, especially Christian.  That is not my intention or desire.
 
Just so we understand I'm not questioning the differences on color between the two.  They are registered as different colors and that is fine. Obviosly (and rightly so) color is not a basis for different classification.  I have searched all the pictures online of them.  Color is apparently about the only difference between them without seeing them side by side in person. 
 
If one has to separate them in their growing space so as not to confuse them I think that about says it all.
 
I have plenty of TB's that have never reached the heights they are Registered at even in my garden that tends to produce copious foliage and taller stalks.  As far as I'm concerned they are BB's since the only real difference between the two is height. However, that would reduce their Judging Points received when being judged if Judges came to my garden and saw TB's that were too short and BB's that were too tall.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: William Plotner
Sent: Jan 1, 2011 5:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [iris-species] Spec-X?

 
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----- Original Message -----
From: p*@mindspring.com
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Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Spec-X?

 
Not to dwell on the matter, especially since the whole matter and apparent frustration has died down.  But I just noticed something in the Registry for two Introductions.  It was touched on that a Hybridizer could vie for certain awards by how they classified their Introduction. That was only relating one cultivar to one class.  However, these two specific cultivars were not mentioned together.  They are 'Alpha Gnu' and 'Blueberry Philly'.  AG is Registered as a Spec-X and BF is Registered as an IB with only a difference in height of an inch, base color. 
 
 
BLUEBERRY FILLY
    (Brad Kasperek, R. 1998) Sdlg. 94-13-67. IB, 23" (58 cm), VE
    Blue violet (RHS 89B/C), silver white streaking; style arms violet blue; beards light yellow; broken color pattern; slight fragrance. Batik X Ostry White. Zebra 2000.

ALPHA GNU
    (Brad Kasperek, R. 1998) Sdlg. 94-13-20. SPEC-X, 22" (56 cm), VE
    Red violet (RHS 88A/B) streaked silver white (155C); style arms violet lavender; beards light yellow; broken color pattern; slight fragrance. Batik X Ostry White. Zebra 1999. HM 2002, HM 2003, AM 2005, Ran-P 2008.
 
 
Has anyone seen them side by side or at least in person to be able to tell a difference? 
 
So, we are to guess Mr. Kasparek, is attempting to vie for two awards by classifying them differently?
 
Is that fair?  Can that be justified?  Another loophole for Hybridizers to wiggle through?
 
Please don't misunderstand me, Brad is a very nice person and very hard working, but at what point will AIS draw the line assuming there is no real difference morphologically between them?


















  


























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