Thanks. I've poked around the site on a number of occasions and didn't
find that even though I found where to buy back issues. It is not a
particularly intuitive website to navigate. Perhaps I will buy some
back issues, but I really don't have the space to devote to them.
Sean Z
Quoting John I Jones <j*@usjoneses.com>:
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> On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Sean A. Zera wrote:
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>> Do you really feel that I need to have purchased and read every single
>> AIS bulletin before I can express an opinion about anything here?
>>
> I am sure no one means that and I do not think that is what Anner
> meant (not that she needs me to defend her).
>
>> As
>> far as I can tell, there is no index to back issues from which to pick
>> specific topics.
>>
> Actually there is an index available on the AIS website under: Iris
> Information/AIS Bulletins. Unfortunately it is not the most current
> (my fault) and I have attached the current version.
>
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>> SZ
>>
>> Quoting C*@aol.com:
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>>>
>>> I think people here have risen to the challenge of answering your
>>> many questions as responsibly and generously as anyone might
>>> reasonably expect. How many have you thanked?
>>>
>>> And yes, I reiterate that some of the responsibility for your own
>>> education lies with you.
>>>
>>> AMW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sean A. Zera <z*@umich.edu>
>>> To: i*@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 1:46 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [iris-species] Spec-X?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> God forbid that anyone would try to learn something from other people
>>> on this forum, instead of earning that knowledge themselves.
>>>
>>> Quoting C*@aol.com:
>>>>
>>>> This is what I think:
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing the least bit unusual that a classification system
>>>> of anything would need to be, or benefit from,being refined over time.
>>>> Change is simply a positive response to ongoing thought, and may be
>>>> necessitated by the need to refine the system, or because that which
>>>> is being classified is changing, or because our understanding of
>>>> things changes. This is certainly not only the case of the AIS
>>>> system, it is also the case in the botanical world, rather
>>>> notoriously so.
>>>>
>>>> There is no reason whatsoever that if an iris meets the criteria for
>>>> IB and also a SPEC-X then it cannot be classified as both, or either.
>>>>
>>>> There is no reason to think that if one seedling is classed one way
>>>> its sibling---which it may or may not resemble closely--must also be
>>>> classified the same way. They are discrete and unique botanical
>>>> entities.
>>>>
>>>> There is no good reason to reclassify things every time something
>>>> changes. People who have an interest in these issues keep up with
>>>> the changes. People who don't keep up with them but who care about
>>>> the issues need to educate themselves. Nothing in life is static,
>>>> especially information.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of the AIS classification system is to effect cogent
>>>> communication. It is an attempt by the collective to derive and
>>>> achieve concord towards an accurate descriptive vocabulary to be
>>>> used in discussions of a broad, numerous, various and ever expanding
>>>> body of unique cultivars reflecting highly personal tastes and
>>>> responses to a collective aesthetic vision which rewards
>>>> distinctiveness. It also defines what at any given time is
>>>> understood to be the ideal of a certain class, so that that ideal
>>>> may be understood and discussed, as a standard for evaluation and
>>>> comparison, and as a goal.
>>>>
>>>> This is not a compost heap, it is a quasi-casuistic dungpile. My
>>>> suggestion to anyone who seeks enlightenment here is: Read the
>>>> resources that AIS has published for you; buy or borrow the Check
>>>> Lists so you can see what they actually contain before carrying on
>>>> in an angry and paranoid manner; prioritize owning the basic
>>>> literature beyond the AIS publications and read that too; abandon
>>>> the idea that there is some boogeyman in the rainbow drama, and base
>>>> your education and opinions on verifiable facts.
>>>>
>>>> AMW
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