Re: A new crested iris? - oops

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In terms of a hybrid, the chances of one being identical to another
is extremely remote. Based on plant genetics, there would be about
40,000 genes in iris. And for each of these genes there would be
probably an average of 40 alleles for each (likely an underestimation)
. And most registered iris are tetraploids. So for just one gene we
would have 40 x 40 x40 x40 variations So we would have 2560000
variations or about 2.56 million possibilities. So multiply this by
40,000 and we get 102,400 Million possible different clones. So about
102 Billion. And this is probably a large underestimation. So
quite remote a possibility.

To have a genetic bank of information on all iris clones produced so
far would be so expensive that it would break the treasured of the
entire USA.

Genetic fingerprinting is by far cheaper , and a possibility if two
plants were suspected of being identical. But still costly.
Particularly as protocols for iris has not been developed as of
yet. But doable.

The only problem is a possibility that a wild collected species is
registered with a name and someone else comes along with a collected
member of same species, and was clone from same clump as the previous
one. Another remote possibility, but possible. But very remote.

And if genetic testing was to be done, Who would bear the cost of this?


Chuck Chapman

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From: John Jones jijones@usjoneses.com [iris-species]
<iris-s! pecies@yahoogroups.com>
To: iris-species &l! t;iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species] A new crested iris? - oops






Hi Anita,

Neither we nor the AIS has the resources to do genetic testing on
irises. We actually do not receive irises, but rather a form that is
used to describe the iris in enough detail that it should be
recognizable in the garden or on the show bench.

However, as you might assume, some people describe their registrations
in great detail and others not so much, often in only minimal terms.
There are over 65,000 registered irises. There Is no way to, nor are we
responsible to, compare a new registration against existing
regi! strations. It is certainly true that there are many irises that are
indistinguishable from each other.

Now if you are thinking about species iris, determining whether a newly
discovered iris is a new species or not is generally done by well
established botanists and international organizations. I really do not
know much about it as it is outside our area of responsibility.

Thanks

John
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Registrar-Recorders, American Iris Society
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John Jones, Chairman, Electronic Services Committee
aiselectronicsvcs@irises.org

35572 Linda Drive
Fremont, CA 94536

> On Jan 3! 0, 2015, at 11:01 AM, 'aclyburn17@frontier.com'
aclybu! rn17@frontier.com [iris-species] <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
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> (This question is directed mostly toward Mr. John Jones.)
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> Dear Sir,
> When someone sends in an iris to be registered these days, how do
they make sure it isn't a duplicate of one that someone else has sent
in?
> Do they do genetic testing on them perhaps?
> Thanks,
> Anita Clyburn
> Terre Haute, IN
> Zone 5
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> On Friday, January 30, 2015 1:20 AM, "John Jones
jijones@usjoneses.com [iris-species]" <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
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> I have received regi! strations from several Chinese growers (in
university programs) this year.
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> Do you think it might be useful to ask them to translate the names on
the link you sent.
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> Thanks
>
> John
> __________________
> John and Joanne Jones
> Registrar-Recorders,! American Iris Society
> aisregistrar@irises.org
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> John Jones, Chairman, Electronic Services Committee
> aiselectronicsvcs@irises.org
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> 35572 Linda Drive
> Fremont, CA 94536
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> > On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:15 AM, David Ferguson manzano57@msn.com
[iris! -species] <iris-species@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> > Two beauties - another oops
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> > Not my day for sending emails. Accidentally sent an unfinished one
earlier, and left the link off of this one.
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> > http://www.tbg.org.tw/tbgweb/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=70&topic=381
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> > Dave
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> > To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
> > From: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:14:35 -0700
> > Subject: RE: [iris-species] Re: A new cres! ted iris? - oops
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> > Two beauties
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> > Two plants posted by (?correct name translation?) Tower Botanical
Gardens in Taiwan! . The first appears to be the real Iris sichuanensis
(ones in cultivation are mostly or perhaps all Iris tectorum). The
second - perhaps a purple Iris japonica - really pretty. Note the
purple-based foliage. It would be fun to try and grow these, and also
to hybridize them.
> > Dave Ferguson
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