Re: Tetraploid Iris Pallida?

 

I got  my dalmatica from Suttons gardens.

Leaves are like a regular tall bearded iris in size. Doesn't have pbf as far as I can remember. Has typical pallida flower, but larger, and papery spathes.

I haven't checked pollen. but if it doesn't have pollen, as Dave mentioned, it is another point in saying it isn't a true collected species pallidia.

Pallida does readily cross with a number of other diploid species, so it would be easy to get hybrid seeds in a garden with a collection of species iris.

And it does have "pallidia" scent.

Chuck Chapman


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Subject: Re: [iris-species] Tetraploid Iris Pallida?

 
Hello, Chuck. Thank you for your response.
 
I take it you are saying you believe it to be a hybrid of I. pallida in some form, and another bearded iris or irises of some kind. I understand you to say you believe it arose in cultivation, and was subsequently singled out for horticultural attention, and at some point received the name by which we know it.
 
If I may follow up, what is the provenance on your plant, pleae, and what features of the clone lead you to your conclusion? Also, are you inclined to speculate as to what other species might be involved in the mix? 
 
How wide are the leaves on your 'Dalmatica' at their widest point, please? And does it have purple based foliage?
 
Thank you.
 
AMW
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Chapman <i*@aim.com>
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Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Tetraploid Iris Pallida?

 
I can't speak to the tertraploid issue, but I'm quite convinced that Dalmatica is not a collected  plant, but a garden plant, That is very likely a pallida seedling, of some sort. It has too  many differences from species.

Chuck Chapman


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Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: [iris-species] Tetraploid Iris Pallida?

 
 
Greetings.
 
Has anyone ever run into anything in the literature about what was, or might have been, or what looked like, a natural tetraploid form of Iris pallida?
 
I haven't, nor has Phil Edinger, nor Mike Lowe, but there is a reason for my asking, so I now bring the question to you.
 
It's a long story, but I've got a description here of a nineteeth century plant which was by some considered the same as 'Dalmatica', but a contemporary author whom I consider reliable distinguishes them, so I am wondering.
 
Phil says the spontaneous appearance of a natural tet seedling would be a very rare thing, indeed. 
 
'Dalmatica' has been described in the literature--even by the same writer-- both as a form of I. pallida, and also as a hybrid of that species. This appears to have started with Dykes who, in the course of his career, was inconsistent on the matter.
 
So, has anyone ever seen anything anywhere about a natural tet pallida? I think I recall that Sam Norris made a tet pallida but that would have been through artificial means. 
 
Cordially,
 
AMW
 

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