I haven't traced this thread back but Vic is correct that some setosas have standards. Often they only produce one or two and the others are bristles. But they can have a full set of standards. They also can produce these one year and not the next. The setosa relative or subspecies. depending on your persuasion, called Iris hookeri does this frequently. There was a variety sold under a German cultivar name that had actually come from wild seed collected by Tony Huber that commonly showed this trait.
----- Original Message -----
From: vwak@msn.com
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:29:13 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Iris sp. identification
I believe several years ago on the forum it was pointed out to me that some clones of setosa do have standards.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: k*@astound.net
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Iris sp. identification
Ken,
You make a good point about a "wild" iris not necessarily being native.
However, despite the lack of standards on most of the flowers, there are
standards in some of the pictures, indicating that the plants are not I.
setosa. The middle flower in the first photo shows one standard hanging
down, nearly falling off the flower. Photo 5 & 6 show a bloom with two
relatively large standards. In fact the standards seem a bit large for
I. versicolor, and are curving in instead of out. Something seems to be
eating standards. Some of the falls show munching along the edges.
In photos 5 & 6, you can also see a perianth tube on both the foreground
bloom and a spent bloom in the background. Aren't the tubes rather large
for I. versicolor? Or is it within the species' variation?
Ken
Ken Walkup wrote:
> Yuri & all,
> This location is within 5 miles of my home. Greg is right that
> versicolor is the only naturally occurring iris which this could
> possibly be, but I'm not totally sure. It looks like it could be a
> setosa. The person who posted this has a Cornell University email
> address; so do I and I'll try to ID the sender & get more info. And,
> possibly recruit a new SIGNA member.
> A few years back, I was walking my dog within a half mile of home,
> and saw a siberian iris seedling growing out of a roadside drainage
> ditch. Just because it wasn't "planted" does not mean it's native.
> Ken
>
>
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