Vic, thank you for the photos!
Now I can see more clearly how they are grouped with Iris setosa.
Thanks to everyone,
Debbie
Anchorage, Alaska
Zone 3-4
--- In iris-species@yahoogroups.com, "JamieV." <jamievande@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, Deb,
>
> you certainly have seen a few setosas! From the description you
gave of
> the Japanese forms, what is typical in Europe may be derived from
them.
> Iris setosa is not found this far West from the Siberian
populations.
> What we grow is certainly based on selections in most cases.
>
> As to hybrids, crosses of setosa and siberica are more or less
> infertile. If one wants to check, attempt to cross the plant and
see
> what results one gets. A sib-tosa crossed to a setosa should not
> produce much viable seed, if any. One would expect sibtosa hybrids
to
> be quite a bit taller than the species, with possibly larger
flowers.
>
> Another thought, there is a sister species, I. tridentata
(tripetala),
> which is very similar. I've not seen it.
>
> Also, to clear the name a bit more from the fog of latin, seta(e)
is/are
> a stiff hair, versus long flowing hair. Often used to refer to
> bristle-like structures on animals (setae).
>
> --
> Jamie V.
>
> _______________________
>
> Köln (Cologne)
> Germany
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> akdebshort schrieb:
> > Yes, Iris setosa has a wery wide distribution.
> >
> > I have been trying to figure out Iris setosa subspecies, forms,
and
> > variations for quite a few years, and do not profess to know
about
> > all of the finer details. My experience has only been reading
every
> > book and internet source (in English) that I can find on I.
setosa
> > and photographing all I can find. (I flew 350 miles north to
> > Fairbanks just to see Iris setosa interior (and the many
variations
> > that Larry Duffy had collected and donated) in bloom this past
> > summer.)
> >
> > Iris setosa (subspecies ?) I have seen and photographed in the
wild
> > in the Russian Far East, the wild collected Iris setosa interior
> > collection(of forms collected up to 50 years ago) at the
> > Georgeson Botanical Garden in Fairbanks, Ak, I. setosa canadensis
in
> > a friend's (Anchorage) garden, and Iris setosa var. arctica
> > (purchased as plants from two diverse sources,) and Iris setosa
nana
> > (which I cannot find any literature on but is much more petit
than
> > I.s. arctica forms I have.) All have the very small bristle-like
> > standard that are
> > no larger than 1/4 inch in the largest of these flowers. I
seldom
> > travel out of Alaska during the summer to see I. setosa from
other
> > wild stocks in bloom.
> >
> > According to the literature, I.s. hondoensis Honda or Kurosawa
(in
> > Japan) has standards 1 1/8 inch tall. I.s. var. nasuensis Hara or
> > Kurosawa (also in Japan) is said to have standards 3/4 inch and
is
> > thought to probably be a hybrid. I.s. form platyrhyncha Hulten
(from
> > Aleutian Islands and other coastal Alaskan areas) is said to have
> > standards larger and wider that I.s. setosa, but how much larger
is
> > not clear. I have not been there yet.
> >
> > If the meaning of setosa means "with hair" I suppose I beleived
> > someones interpretation that took that to mean that it was the
> > standard that was being referred. Several sources say bristle-
like
> > standard, maybe an interpretaion of "with hair." I do not
actually
> > know where I was told "setosa" meant roughly (by inference ???)
> > without standard. (Another good point to investigate! :) )
> >
> > Perhaps with the wide distribution of members to this group we
will
> > be able to send in photos from wild stocks of Iris setosa. (I
still
> > do not see how photos are attached to these messages - like so
many
> > of you have done. Are there directions posted somewhere?)
> >
> > I am giving a talk on Irises that grow here to the Anchorage
Master
> > Gardeners this coming March and would love to have this figured
out
> > before then. If anyone has source material, recommendations for
> > further reading, or photos that I could use for the talk and my
> > personal understanding, please feel free to send them my way.
> >
> > thank you for this discussion,
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
