Re: SPEC: CULT: Setosa seedlings]]
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- Subject: Re: SPEC: CULT: Setosa seedlings]]
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- Date: 30 Apr 00 21:29:28 EDT
Kathy Haggstrom <hagg@alaska.net> wrote:
> Chuck Chapman wrote:
" The shorter plants and the taller ones are from the same cross allthough
I also have very short ones from canadesis (or I hookeri) crosses. The
crosses with the wide variation had as one parent a short canadesis (10")
that has been collected from Newfoundland by a Canadian Iris Society (CIS)
member. The other parent was a setosa from SIGNA seed growen by another CIS
member.Her setosa must have been open polinated as there was a wide variation
in plants and one of them turned out to be a sibtosa (interspecies cross of
siberian and setosa) and sterile and no seeds."
>
KH-> Quite a varied parentage - the two extremes of the setosa spectrum. The
SIGNA seed parent: if it has some Siberian genes in its siblings, does that
mean your parent plant does too? Or does the siberian cross always produce a
sterile plant, so that the plant you used inherited no siberian genes?
>
CC-2nd-I suspect that some of the plants had different parents and that only
one of them was a sibtosa. As far aas I know sibtosas are always sterile. They
also have a distinctive (although subtle) form with small standards, larger
then setosa and smaller then siberian. I would like to try some planned
setosa/siberian crosses to mix certain factors together. It will be a bit
tricky to predict how they will combine. It leads to some speculation and some
experiments.--
CC-1st"The short plants came from F2 generation. The very tall ones have 11-13
flowers on 3 branches plus terminal with occasionally 3 terminal buds and
several double budded ends and occasional secondary branches.""
>
KH-> "I need to correct (or clarify) what I wrote you earlier about the above
- I used the term three branches when what I meant was the terminal flowers
and then two smaller branches below that. Is this referred to as tw0 or three
branches? You mentioned three branches above - do you mean three smaller
branches BELOW the terminal group? (I'll get this straight in no time - I can
tell...) Also 11-13 flowers on 3 branches strikes me as very floriferous."
CC-2nd-"11-13 is quite floriforous but the whole effect is not that impressive
as the flowers are pretty much the same size as the small plants. Branching is
usually referred to as "Two branches plus terminal" rather then as three
branches. This is another reason that I have been focusing on the smaller
plants. The flowers look much nicer on the smaller plants. I would like to
focus on the 10-24" height as this seems to look best.
CC 1st> >" I have several at about 20-24" in height with 9-11 buds. Each has
to evaluated in comparison to others of the same general height. I continue to
use these lines as they produce such a wide variation that gives lots of room
to move in several breeding directions. I beleive that there are some Japanese
setosa that are quite tall but still not as tall as some that I have grown."
>
KH>" 40" is impressively tall, taller than I've ever seen, and also taller
than I've heard of. I imagine that size gives it real presence. I hope this
is one line you continue to pursue.
>
CC 2nd-" The height is interesting, but the flowers seem small on this plant,
considering its height. I can only speculate that it is some form of hybrid
vigour that gave this height. It was also difficult to evaluate the smaller
plants as they were shaded so much by the tall ones, and sometimes difficult
to find as the plants grew vigourously and the big ones crowed the small
ones."
CC-1st"> > There are also a tendency for some to produce flowers over a long
period of time and this is also noted. I hadn't made any particular noes of
branch count so I'm relying on memory."
>
KH " Actually, I am somewhat also. I've been looking at my plant charts after
reading your email and realize I need to come up with bud and branch counts on
almost my entire inventory. It will be a good fall chore - I'll have to give
you a more correct and revised version in the fall."
>
CC-1st" Could you provide some description of plants that you have seen and
cultivated?"
>
KH " Mine sound very similar to yours, except for the very tall and very short
ones. My bud/branch counts on all except the most floriferous sound lower too.
I have the whites, pinks, lavenders, maroons, blue-purples, and
dark-podded you describe. Of the darks, the ones I've been marketing a bit
are a line without signals (a reduced yellow line coming out of the falls
instead). I don't think they have as good a carrying presence in a
landscape as one with a nice bright signal, but they are handsome and
dark-looking, and most importantly for selling, unusual. I've also been
marketing a few of the maroon or cranberry ones, which sell quicker than
any other. I have a six-petal, and a lavender colored bloom with dark
purple style-arms ( I believe you said you had that one), which is striking
looking, but mine has falls that always look kind of ratty around the bottom,
so I haven't done much with it (it has dark pods also). I have
several of the form platyryncha, with the little standards, but I really
think they are stump-ugly, though I am working with them anyway. I assume
they will be somewhat easy to improve, though that is supposition. I just
figure anything will be an improvement. I found a broken-color variety in
the wild last summer, but have no idea about whether it will be able to set
seed, or stay true, etc. for a year or more. I have various streaky, veined
semi-odd ones - you know, the gamut of all the types you can discover in the
field and drag home :-) Anyway, you get the idea.
> Kathy Haggstrom
> Southcentral, AK USA
> zone 3
CC-2nd "It would seem that you have some nice varieties to work with. I'm
jealous of your nearness to the wild populations that give you the opportunity
to collect variations.
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