RE: iris DIGEST V1 #536

We have not received it in Idaho yet.Carol L. ColemanC. Iris On Pond> Date:
Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:32:36 -0400> From: iris-owner@hort.net> To:
iris-digest@hort.net> Subject: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #536> > > iris DIGEST
Saturday, April 5 2008 Volume 01 : Number 536> > > > In this issue:> > Re:
[iris] CAT: sutton's iris gardens> Re: [iris] CAT: sutton's iris gardens> RE:
[iris] CAT: sutton's iris gardens> Re: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?> RE:
[iris] CAT: sutton's iris gardens> Re: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?> [iris]
Re: HYB: seedling leftovers?, drought> [iris] Re: CULT: drought> Re: [iris]
Re: CULT: drought> [iris] HYB: questions about TB genetics> [iris] Advantage
of Adobe Photoshop vs Corel Paint Shop> [iris]HYB:REB:Early Bloom (seedling
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:57:19 -0700 (PDT)> From: Pat Norvell
<patsiris@sbcglobal.net>> Subject: Re: [iris] CAT: sutton's iris gardens> >
Not yet in Dallas, Mike.> Pat Norvell> > > - ----- Original Message ---->
From: sutton's iris gardens <info@suttoniris.com>> To: iris@hort.net> Sent:
Friday, April 4, 2008 8:42:19 AM> Subject: [iris] CAT: sutton's iris gardens>
> Has anyone received our catalog yet? Checking to see how fast/slow bulk >
mail is....If anyone would like a catalog, email me your name and address >
off-list and we will send one. info@suttoniris.com> Mike Sutton> Sutton's Iris
Gardens> > ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:01:55
+0200> From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>> Subject: Re: [iris] CAT:
sutton's iris gardens> > Will you send one to Holland?> > Cheers,> > Loic>
----- Original Message -----> From: sutton's iris gardens> To: iris@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:42 PM> Subject: [iris] CAT: sutton's iris
gardens> > > Has anyone received our catalog yet? Checking to see how
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and address> off-list and we will send one. info@suttoniris.com> Mike Sutton>
Sutton's Iris Gardens> > ------------------------------> > Date: Sat, 5 Apr
2008 05:40:14 +1030> From: "Impressive Irises"
<colleen@impressiveirises.com.au>> Subject: RE: [iris] CAT: sutton's iris
gardens> > Hi Mike> > No catalogue in Oz yet :-) > But nice to see your new
season web site is up, busy checking out your new> intros> > > Colleen Modra>
Adelaide Hills > South Australia> > www.impressiveirises.com.au> > > > > -
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name and address > off-list and we will send one. info@suttoniris.com> Mike
Sutton> Sutton's Iris Gardens> > ------------------------------> > Date: Fri,
4 Apr 2008 14:07:32 -0700 (PDT)> From: christian foster
<flatnflashy@yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?> >
Gang,> > You know, all this talk about "Bulk" seedlings has got me thinking
about the seedlings I sent to the classroom. > > Just to review, I had some
seeds that were germinating agressively in several pods, and I took them to
the school where I work for a class of second graders to nurture. I provided
the children with cheapo-knockoff-Gladware boxes- the size that a sandwich
would fit in- and some soil. The kids planted the seeds and they have been on
a window sill getting mostly indirect sunlight since roughly September. The
kids are interested... the teacher is, sadly, stricken down with irisitis. ( I
prescribed a trip to my iris beds to make some of his own crosses)> > Over the
last several months I have been dismayed that the classroom seedlings seemed
to be thriving while those at home receiving "proper" care have been merely
surviving. I was expecting to see nicely developed root systems when I lined
them out and I was not disappointed. (I should have taken pictures but I
didn't want to get dirt in my camera, nor did I want to disturb such contented
seedlings just for a photo shoot.)> > Naturally, there was some variance by
cross, but as a general rule all of the seedlings had rhizomes at least the
size of a garbanzo bean. All had several well branched roots. The sturdiest
and largest had several large roots over six inches long with lots of
branching. Other seedlings that have had ample verticle space but limited
lateral space have not fared as well.> > Anyway.... What I started to think
was... what if instead of your "mum pots" you got some of those shallow
plastic tubs like go under the bed. You would have more room for the seedlings
and fewer things to move. Of course, you're on your own for managing the
watering.> > christian> > loic tasquier <tasquierloic@cs.com> wrote:> "The
early and middle bloomers are large enough to get planted in that first> wave
of good growers.? The later varieties don't show their strength early> enough
to get planted with this system.? Just a theory I mention for Linda.?> "> > I
think you've got something here!> > Of course i replant the biggest too, and ,
of course, they are the ones who> came first and had more time to grow: when
12 have been planted, too bad for> the others...! (not even left in the pots
but trown on the compost heap.> might keep them now, with you saying they can
survive in their pots; i might> even replant them as a bulk into a bigger pot
with richer soil.)> > I imagine after several generations with this system,
only the early genes> might be selected.> But they should also be resitant to
early frost, since these early ones have> been through a very cold start.> And
as well as selecting for early + tough, maybe i's also a way to select> more
rebloom genes, since rebloomers seem to be early ones.> > Thanks for your
thoughts Betty, it feeds other's minds!> > Loic> > > - ----- Original Message
-----> From: autmirislvr@aol.com> To: iris@hort.net> Sent: Friday, April 04,
2008 3:20 PM> Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?> > > Linda, when I
look at the regional and national weather maps, it appears> that you are on
the south east edge of the systems that park over us.? My area> has gotten a
lot more rain than yours, or so it appears.? How is your current> rainfall in
comparision to the "average?"? For the year??> > It is currently raining and
has been for over 24 hours.? The soil is super> saturated.? My bridge?was out
by noon?yesterday.? My makeshift rain gauge says> 4 inches and still raining.?
We were approximately 2 inches ABOVE average when> this started.?Lots of
"water rescue" in the area this morning.??> > The first spring I lived here, I
saw the soil? like this.?(2004) There is a> small river that runs across the
bottom of my driveway and through the> adjoining lots.? I'm sure it once went
to the creek, but for now it ends in a> pond which was the neighbor's large
garden.? (four neighbors down)? He'd just> tilled and planted early crops when
this started!???> > I've seen some damage from flooding in old seedling beds
that are on the> lower edge of the garden proper.? Even though the garden has
a gentle slope,> two beds are a bit flat. Just happened that way.? Guess I
wasn't paying enough> attention when I built them.?> > My experience with
Miracle Grow beds is limited.? Back on the small lot, I> bought way too many
irises and ran out of space.? I built a ridge> approximately a foot wide and
eight inches deep on top of the ground with> Miracle Gro and planted several
irises on/in that ridge.? They did very well> and developed huge rhizomes and
roots.? The next summer I moved out here so I> have no idea of long term
effect.?> > My seedlings have always been held over in the same mum pots where
they> germinate.? Yes, I've lost some, but the strongest survive almost
anything.??> It's amazing how strong the strongest can be.? Some have gone on
to put up> stalks and bloom in those germination pots.? 1708-03 has been my
best "pot"> experience.? I discovered the seedlings after I'd filled every
available inch> prepared,?and?they?were at the end of my priority list!? (I
wasn't enthused> about pinks back then.)?Three surviving seedlings were
planted in 13 inch> pots, one each.? (Sweet Musette x Memphis Miss)?Photo in
archives May 2006.?> Seedling by Renown to bloom this spring.? I hope.? 1708
only produced four> seedlings and two had exception height and branching.?
They revivied my> interest in pinks.?> > With noted exceptions, I plant the
strongest looking 12 seedlings from each> cross.?? If I'm looking for
something special, like the blue bearded white> ones, I'll plant more.? Still,
I only planted 40 of them and many more wait in> the pots.? If available space
(and ability) wasn't a problem, I'd have planted> all.??The rest go back in
pots or stay in the pot depending on whether I> "lift" the strongest in a
large group, or break up the entire clump.? If I> have space and like what
I've seen, I'll plant the rest.? With multiple pots,> I plant from one pot and
allow the others to grow undisturbed.?> > The 2006 crosses were very important
to me.? I planted approximately 450 in> the garden but this left hundreds in
the seedling pots.? Some weren't planted> at all.? Clearly, we have selection
at work again!? Around labor day,> I?transplanted the strongest of several of
those into the 13 inch pots.? Most> have several increases now and look good.?
As to bloom, we'll have to wait and> see.?> > An observation about germination
pot survivors!? When I get a stalk in one> of these pots, it is usually a late
variety.? My theory on this is simple.?> The early and middle bloomers are
large enough to get planted in that first> wave of good growers.? The later
varieties don't show their strength early> enough to get planted with this
system.? Just a theory I mention for Linda.?> > > More rain, flooding in the
forecast, but I don't think we are out of drought> conditions yet?> > > > -
-----Original Message-----> From: Linda Mann > To: iris@hort.net> Sent: Thu, 3
Apr 2008 7:02 pm> Subject: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?> > > 90 pots with 1
to 13 seedlings left over from last fall that were big enough> to plant, but I
was afraid to put out so late in the year; 30+ pots also with> leftover
seedlings that were too small to plant last fall, most not quite big> enough
to plant yet; plus all the new ones from last year's crosses> (fortunately
very few) and delayed germination on older crosses (fortunately ?> a lot).?>
?> Betty, like you, I'm slightly past the limit of what I can give even the>
marginal care that it takes to thrive here. There are (unfortunately?>
fortunately?) a lot of small areas out in the old gravel rows where cultivars>
that had been barely hanging on finally died last year, so until I completely>
run out of steam, I can plant some seedlings in those sptos.?> ?> But what to
do with the rest of them??> ?> Most of these (like yours, I think you said,
Betty) are seedlings from> crosses where the biggest 8 or 12 or 16 got lined
out either fall a year ago> (before the big freeze) or last spring (after the
big freeze and at the> beginning of the big drought).?> ?> The > was to see
how promising the cross was after bloom, then set> priorities for planting/not
planting the rest of the cross. But with the> drought and heat (plus potential
remaining killing freezes!), I'm not sure how> many of the ones in the ground
will manage to bloom this year.?> ?> "The Plan" is to dig beds and line out as
many as I can, especially the new> stuff, save the smaller ones in big pots
till summer (when it will be> pleasantly cool, with regular rainfall - hah!
;-) ), rip out the duds to make> more room.?> ?> Then more big pots for the
rest??> ?> More instant beds on top of the ground in the yard by dumping out
bags of> Miracle Gro Potting Mix??> ?> Betty, you've mentioned seeing bloom in
pots now and then, and I've had a> few mature seedlings in pots that have
bloomed.?> ?> Do you think pots are a viable way to 'store' seedlings??> ?> If
you had a choice, would you put them in Miracle Gro beds or big pots??> ?> The
Pots have the advantage of being somewhat portable (especially with the>
mostly perlite mix), so if we get another hot dry summer, they can move to
the> shade - wish they could do it without my help! ;-( Water is free (spring)
but> not really the capacity to irrigate constantly. & the perlite does dry
out> really fast.?> ?> Ideas from the rest of you who have to hold seedlings
over??> ?> Thanks.?> ?> More rain, flooding in the forecast, but I don't think
we are out of drought> conditions yet? But at least the surface is wet and
lush green pastures again> finally.?> ?> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone
7/8?> East Tennessee Iris Society ?> Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee ?> American
Iris Society web site ?> talk archives: ?> photos archives: ?> online R&I ?>
?> ?> > > > > > > - ---------------------------------> You rock. That's why
Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.> >
------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:25:32 +0000> From:
Susan Boyce <utahirisgal@hotmail.com>> Subject: RE: [iris] CAT: sutton's iris
gardens> > Hi Mike,> It hasn't hit Utah yet. When did you mail the catalogs?>
Susan> From: info@suttoniris.com> To: iris@hort.net> Subject: [iris] CAT:>
sutton's iris gardens> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:42:19 -0700> > Has anyone>
received our catalog yet? Checking to see how fast/slow bulk > mail is....If>
anyone would like a catalog, email me your name and address > off-list and we>
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seedling leftovers?> > Christian, > > I prefer the seeds in the mum pots for
several reasons.? The pots are 8.5 x 5 inches.?Or 5.5, I don't remember. ?Big
enough to hold several seedlings and not dry out as quickly as the smaller
ones.? Second, they have good drainage, made better with coffee filters under
the soil.? Third, it's a good size to hold approximately 25 seed.? If I have
50 seed of a given cross I use 2 pots.? Or one of the 10 x 5 inch pots.? > >
Of course, mine spend the full year outside.? Lars, the cat, loves it when I
bring pots inside!? <vbg>? > > The middle granddaughter and I planted cactus
dahlias in six of these mum pots about a month ago.? She anxious awaits the
plants.? When it got really cold a week or so ago I felt too bad to bring them
inside.? (in the rain) The new growth was frozen back.?(23 degrees)?I dug in
the pots and the tubers were COLD.? Thinking they were all dead I spent a lot
of time Monday looking for new ones to replace them . . . a bit of slight of
hand doesn't hurt when it's a 5 year old?? No replacements to be found.?
Yesterday I saw new growth in five of the six pots.? Why can't they live like
that in the ground?? > > Found seedlings sprouted.? 1st and 2nd year
germination.? Last year I found the first ones on March 10th.? > > > > You
would > have more room for the seedlings and fewer things to move. > >
Betty/zone 6/KY> > > - -----Original Message-----> From: christian foster
<flatnflashy@yahoo.com>> To: iris@hort.net> Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 4:07 pm>
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?> > > > Gang,> > You know, all
this talk about "Bulk" seedlings has got me thinking about the > seedlings I
sent to the classroom. > > Just to review, I had some seeds that were
germinating agressively in several > pods, and I took them to the school where
I work for a class of second graders > to nurture. I provided the children
with cheapo-knockoff-Gladware boxes- the > size that a sandwich would fit in-
and some soil. The kids planted the seeds > and they have been on a window
sill getting mostly indirect sunlight since > roughly September. The kids are
interested... the teacher is, sadly, stricken > down with irisitis. ( I
prescribed a trip to my iris beds to make some of his > own crosses)> > Over
the last several months I have been dismayed that the classroom seedlings >
seemed to be thriving while those at home receiving "proper" care have been >
merely surviving. I was expecting to see nicely developed root systems when I
> lined them out and I was not disappointed. (I should have taken pictures but
I > didn't want to get dirt in my camera, nor did I want to disturb such
contented > seedlings just for a photo shoot.)> > Naturally, there was some
variance by cross, but as a general rule all of the > seedlings had rhizomes
at least the size of a garbanzo bean. All had several > well branched roots.
The sturdiest and largest had several large roots over six > inches long with
lots of branching. Other seedlings that have had ample > verticle space but
limited lateral space have not fared as well.> > Anyway.... What I started to
think was... what if instead of your "mum pots" > you got some of those
shallow plastic tubs like go under the bed. You would > have more room for the
seedlings and fewer things to move. Of course, you're on > your own for
managing the watering.> > christian> > loic tasquier <tasquierloic@cs.com>
wrote:> "The early and middle bloomers are large enough to get planted in that
first> wave of good growers.? The later varieties don't show their strength
early> enough to get planted with this system.? Just a theory I mention for
Linda.?> "> > I think you've got something here!> > Of course i replant the
biggest too, and , of course, they are the ones who> came first and had more
time to grow: when 12 have been planted, too bad for> the others...! (not even
left in the pots but trown on the compost heap.> might keep them now, with you
saying they can survive in their pots; i might> even replant them as a bulk
into a bigger pot with richer soil.)> > I imagine after several generations
with this system, only the early genes> might be selected.> But they should
also be resitant to early frost, since these early ones have> been through a
very cold start.> And as well as selecting for early + tough, maybe i's also a
way to select> more rebloom genes, since rebloomers seem to be early ones.> >
Thanks for your thoughts Betty, it feeds other's minds!> > Loic> > > - -----
Original Message -----> From: autmirislvr@aol.com> To: iris@hort.net> Sent:
Friday, April 04, 2008 3:20 PM> Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seedling leftovers?>
> > Linda, when I look at the regional and national weather maps, it appears>
that you are on the south east edge of the systems that park over us.? My
area> has gotten a lot more rain than yours, or so it appears.? How is your
current> rainfall in comparision to the "average?"? For the year??> > It is
currently raining and has been for over 24 hours.? The soil is super>
saturated.? My bridge?was out by noon?yesterday.? My makeshift rain gauge
says> 4 inches and still raining.? We were approximately 2 inches ABOVE
average when> this started.?Lots of "water rescue" in the area this
morning.??> > The first spring I lived here, I saw the soil? like this.?(2004)
There is a> small river that runs across the bottom of my driveway and through
the> adjoining lots.? I'm sure it once went to the creek, but for now it ends
in a> pond which was the neighbor's large garden.? (four neighbors down)? He'd
just> tilled and planted early crops when this started!???> > I've seen some
damage from flooding in old seedling beds that are on the> lower edge of the
garden proper.? Even though the garden has a gentle slope,> two beds are a bit
flat. Just happened that way.? Guess I wasn't paying enough> attention when I
built them.?> > My experience with Miracle Grow beds is limited.? Back on the
small lot, I> bought way too many irises and ran out of space.? I built a
ridge> approximately a foot wide and eight inches deep on top of the ground
with> Miracle Gro and planted several irises on/in that ridge.? They did very
well> and developed huge rhizomes and roots.? The next summer I moved out here
so I> have no idea of long term effect.?> > My seedlings have always been held
over in the same mum pots where they> germinate.? Yes, I've lost some, but the
strongest survive almost anything.??> It's amazing how strong the strongest
can be.? Some have gone on to put up> stalks and bloom in those germination
pots.? 1708-03 has been my best "pot"> experience.? I discovered the seedlings
after I'd filled every available inch> prepared,?and?they?were at the end of
my priority list!? (I wasn't enthused> about pinks back then.)?Three surviving
seedlings were planted in 13 inch> pots, one each.? (Sweet Musette x Memphis
Miss)?Photo in archives May 2006.?> Seedling by Renown to bloom this spring.?
I hope.? 1708 only produced four> seedlings and two had exception height and
branching.? They revivied my> interest in pinks.?> > With noted exceptions, I
plant the strongest looking 12 seedlings from each> cross.?? If I'm looking
for something special, like the blue bearded white> ones, I'll plant more.?
Still, I only planted 40 of them and many more wait in> the pots.? If
available space (and ability) wasn't a problem, I'd have planted> all.??The
rest go back in pots or stay in the pot depending on whether I> "lift" the
strongest in a large group, or break up the entire clump.? If I> have space
and like what I've seen, I'll plant the rest.? With multiple pots,> I plant
from one pot and allow the others to grow undisturbed.?> > The 2006 crosses
were very important to me.? I planted approximately 450 in> the garden but
this left hundreds in the seedling pots.? Some weren't planted> at all.?
Clearly, we have selection at work again!? Around labor day,> I?transplanted
the strongest of several of those into the 13 inch pots.? Most> have several
increases now and look good.? As to bloom, we'll have to wait and> see.?> > An
observation about germination pot survivors!? When I get a stalk in one> of
these pots, it is usually a late variety.? My theory on this is simple.?> The
early and middle bloomers are large enough to get planted in that first> wave
of good growers.? The later varieties don't show their strength early> enough
to get planted with this system.? Just a theory I mention for Linda.?> > >
More rain, flooding in the forecast, but I don't think we are out of drought>
conditions yet?> > > > - -----Original Message-----> From: Linda Mann > To:
iris@hort.net> Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:02 pm> Subject: [iris] HYB: seedling
leftovers?> > > 90 pots with 1 to 13 seedlings left over from last fall that
were big enough> to plant, but I was afraid to put out so late in the year;
30+ pots also with> leftover seedlings that were too small to plant last fall,
most not quite big> enough to plant yet; plus all the new ones from last
year's crosses> (fortunately very few) and delayed germination on older
crosses (fortunately ?> a lot).?> ?> Betty, like you, I'm slightly past the
limit of what I can give even the> marginal care that it takes to thrive here.
There are (unfortunately?> fortunately?) a lot of small areas out in the old
gravel rows where cultivars> that had been barely hanging on finally died last
year, so until I completely> run out of steam, I can plant some seedlings in
those sptos.?> ?> But what to do with the rest of them??> ?> Most of these
(like yours, I think you said, Betty) are seedlings from> crosses where the
biggest 8 or 12 or 16 got lined out either fall a year ago> (before the big
freeze) or last spring (after the big freeze and at the> beginning of the big
drought).?> ?> The > was to see how promising the cross was after bloom, then
set> priorities for planting/not planting the rest of the cross. But with the>
drought and heat (plus potential remaining killing freezes!), I'm not sure
how> many of the ones in the ground will manage to bloom this year.?> ?> "The
Plan" is to dig beds and line out as many as I can, especially the new> stuff,
save the smaller ones in big pots till summer (when it will be> pleasantly
cool, with regular rainfall - hah! ;-) ), rip out the duds to make> more
room.?> ?> Then more big pots for the rest??> ?> More instant beds on top of
the ground in the yard by dumping out bags of> Miracle Gro Potting Mix??> ?>
Betty, you've mentioned seeing bloom in pots now and then, and I've had a> few
mature seedlings in pots that have bloomed.?> ?> Do you think pots are a
viable way to 'store' seedlings??> ?> If you had a choice, would you put them
in Miracle Gro beds or big pots??> ?> The Pots have the advantage of being
somewhat portable (especially with the> mostly perlite mix), so if we get
another hot dry summer, they can move to the> shade - wish they could do it
without my help! ;-( Water is free (spring) but> not really the capacity to
irrigate constantly. & the perlite does dry out> really fast.?> ?> Ideas from
the rest of you who have to hold seedlings over??> ?> Thanks.?> ?> More rain,
flooding in the forecast, but I don't think we are out of drought> conditions
yet? But at least the surface is wet and lush green pastures again> finally.?>
?> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8?> East Tennessee Iris Society ?>
Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee ?> American Iris Society web site ?> talk
archives: ?> photos archives: ?> online R&I ?> ?> ?> > > > > > > -
---------------------------------> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering
you one month of Blockbuster Total > Access, No Cost.> >
------------------------------> > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:53:49 -0500> From:
Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>> Subject: [iris] Re: HYB: seedling leftovers?,
drought> > According to NOAA, east TN is "showing improvement" in the seasonal
> drought outlook.>
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/seasonal_drought.html>
> We are still D3, Extreme Drought conditions, but the distance from me to >
D1, Moderate Drought is getting a tiny bit closer on the map. I > suspect this
week's rain will move us to at least D2. Looks like KY is > no longer
experiencing drought.> http://www.drought.unl.edu/DM/monitor.html> > Betty
asked:> <Linda, when I look at the regional and national weather maps, it >
appears that you are on the south east edge of the systems that park > over
us.>> > Not sure where we are for <this> year, but it doesn't much matter for
> long term (i.e., this year's growing season). I think we wound up at >
around 30 inches for last year, compared to "average" of 45 or 50? I've > lost
track of what the current average is. Used to be around 60 inches.> > <How is
your current rainfall in comparision to the "average?"? For the > year?? >> >
The Miracle Gro bed from last fall, packed tight with storebought > rhizomes
sure was convenient. But I wish I knew more about how that > would work in the
long term before using it for 'warehousing' seedlings.> > <My experience with
Miracle Grow beds is limited.>> > This is more or less what I've been doing
also. In November, some of my > poor babies were still in the 4 inch
germination pots I use. Needless > to say, they weren't very big by the time I
got the last of them moved > to bigger pots. Depending on the size, I've been
putting up to 15 > leftover seedlings in 3 or 4 gallon pots.> > Loic, I fill
these big pots about half full of fresh horse manure, then > fill in to the
top with half and half re-used "dirty perlite" and > decomposed manure from
older pots.> > Betty said:> <My seedlings have always been held over in the
same mum pots where they > germinate.? ... Some have gone on to put up stalks
and bloom in those > germination pots.? ....?Three surviving seedlings were
planted in 13 > inch pots, one each.? ...> > With noted exceptions, I plant
the strongest looking 12 seedlings from > each cross.?? ...The rest go back in
pots or stay in the pot depending > on whether I "lift" the strongest in a
large group, or break up the > entire clump.? ..With multiple pots, I plant
from one pot and allow the > others to grow undisturbed.?> > ...Around labor
day, I?transplanted the strongest of several of those > into the 13 inch
pots.? Most have several increases now and look good.? > As to bloom, we'll
have to wait and see.? >> > and Loic said:> > <Of course i replant the biggest
too, and , of course, they are the ones who> came first and had more time to
grow: when 12 have been planted, too bad for> the others...! (not even left in
the pots but thrown on the compost heap.> might keep them now, with you saying
they can survive in their pots; i might> even replant them as a bulk into a
bigger pot with richer soil.)>> > Loic, I know this business about early bloom
being linked to rebloom is > "common wisdom", but I don't believe it. All I've
found in my late > freeze prone location is that "early bloom" is linked to no
bloom at > all! (i.e., frozen out). This does seem to be the habit of many
(most?) > cycle rebloomers, which is why I don't have much interest in them.
But > I do have a lot of rebloomers that are not frozen out, or bloom over a >
long enough time period that later stalks survive. I guess most of > these are
either "summer" bloomers or have that potential in good > growing conditions
(IMM, VIOL MIRACLE, BELVI QUEEN, RENOWN, STAR GATE > etc). The only really
reliable cycle rebloomer here that comes to mind > is HARVEST OF MEMORIES.> >
However, the <foliage> on these early germinants does tend to be fairly >
freeze tolerant.> > I wonder if the theory that early germination is linked to
rebloom has > come from breeders doing what you've been doing - throwing away
the > later germinants.> > <I imagine after several generations with this
system, only the early genes> might be selected.> But they should also be
resitant to early frost, since these early ones have> been through a very cold
start.> And as well as selecting for early + tough, maybe i's also a way to
select> more rebloom genes, since rebloomers seem to be early ones.>> - -- >
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8> East Tennessee Iris Society
<http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>> Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee
<http://www.aisregion7.org>> American Iris Society web site
<http://www.irises.org>> talk archives:
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<http://www.irisregister.com>> > ------------------------------> > Date: Sat,
05 Apr 2008 06:04:41 -0500> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>> Subject:
[iris] Re: CULT: drought> > Just found another NOAA map that says we need an
additional 6 to 12 > inches to get out of drought conditions here.> >
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/addp
cp.gif> - -- > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8> East Tennessee Iris
Society <http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>> Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee
<http://www.aisregion7.org>> American Iris Society web site
<http://www.irises.org>> talk archives:
<http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>> photos archives:
<http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>> online R&I
<http://www.irisregister.com>> > ------------------------------> > Date: Sat,
05 Apr 2008 08:13:02 -0400> From: autmirislvr@aol.com> Subject: Re: [iris] Re:
CULT: drought> > We've had all we need for right now, and would be happy to
pass the clouds on your way.? According to that map, Atlanta isn't out of the
woods yet either.? > > we need an additional 6 to 12 inches to get out of
drought conditions here.?> Betty W.> > > - -----Original Message-----> From:
Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>> To: iris@hort.net> Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 6:04
am> Subject: [iris] Re: CULT: drought> > > Just found another NOAA map that
says we need an additional 6 to 12 inches to get out of drought conditions
here.?> ?>
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/addp
cp.gif?> - -- Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8?> East Tennessee Iris
Society <http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>?> Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee
<http://www.aisregion7.org>?> American Iris Society web site
<http://www.irises.org>?> talk archives:
<http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>?> photos archives:
<http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>?> online R&I
<http://www.irisregister.com>?> ?> ?> > ------------------------------> >
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:24:24 -0700 (PDT)> From: mahlberg s
<s_j_mahlberg@yahoo.com>> Subject: [iris] HYB: questions about TB genetics> >
Hello,> I was wondering if it is possible to end up with TB seedlings from
crossing any of the smaller beardeds. Either to themselves or outcrossing or
backcrossing to TB again.> I know that initially TB were developed from
crossing various species over generations.> I also understand that the smaller
varieites were developed by intercrossing different species to the TB over
generations.> > Thanks for the help!> > steve zone 4b northeastern minnesota>
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >
http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------> > Date: Sat, 5 Apr
2008 06:28:17 -0700> From: "Linda Smith" <irisgrower@cableone.net>> Subject:
[iris] Advantage of Adobe Photoshop vs Corel Paint Shop> > John,> > The
learning curve for me on Photoshop was too much, so I went w Corel Paint> Shop
Pro XI.> Not only is Corel about 1/3 cost but is very user friendly.> > My
question is what advantage does Photoshop have over Corel ProXI for the>
average user?> Does anyone know that has used both?> Or is there another
program equal to Corel, that is cheaper, and as user> friendly for the average
user?> (This is assuming everyone has the free programs, Picasa and
Irfanview)> > Are there anymore free programs as useful as these are?> > I use
Picasa for some minor things like cropping or if I just need a black> and
white etc.> > I use Irfanview for contact sheets and printing rather than the
wizard or> Corel.> I like what it allows me to do without a lot of trouble.> >
> Linda in CW AZ> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type Image/gif
which had a name of rosy_hint.gif]> > ------------------------------> > Date:
Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:30:54 -0400> From: autmirislvr@aol.com> Subject:
[iris]HYB:REB:Early Bloom (seedling leftovers?, drought)> > Early bloom and
rebloom may be connected in many or even most rebloomers.? Not all!> > Star
Gate, which Linda listed in her post, is not necessarily an early bloomer in
my gardens, when you compare it to my other rebloomers.? In 2006, my first
cross was on April 22.? It began with my reblooming red seedlings, plicatas,
and rebloomers.? I made no crosses with Star Gate until May 5.? I waited
impatiently!?? I had a huge planting that year and would have made crosses
with it earlier if I'd had blooms.? I recommend using it as a pollen parent.?
> > <<I know this business about early bloom being linked to rebloom is
"common wisdom",>>> I do believe that the tendency to plant only the strongest
(and pitching the rest) has led to this trend.? When I grow all of a cross, as
I've done with Innocent Star children and several others, I've learned that
some of the later season?bloomers will also rebloom.> > Strong plants, as
exhibited in?fast, strong growth in foliage, seems to be connected to
rebloom.? > > I have seen rebloom in weaker seedlings.? They often die.? They
definitely are not selected for introduction.? I've thrown out some pretty
rebloomers because they just don't increase enought to enjoy or introduce.> >
I could narrow the search for rebloom?to a much smaller plot of ground by ONLY
planting those seedlings that have very strong roots, with many feeder roots,
at planting time!? Truly!? But, I'd lose out on a lot of beautiful irises and
some rebloomers.? Still, it would make for an interesting bed!? > > Story:?
(True)?In 1998 I gave up irises and moved to a very small yard.? At the end of
the moving process, my love of?the seedling project kicked in. ? I went to the
latest bed of grown up seedlings and dug the strongest of each cross.? These
included Radiant Bliss, Theme Master, Another Bridge, etc..?The most I saved
was 5 from the 1504 cross (blue bearded white line.) Three of them rebloomed.?
In other crosses, I saved 3 or less per cross.? Almost all rebloomed.? Three
saved?from the Jessie Song X Earl of Essex cross, and all fall bloomed.? The
prettiest bloomed short until I moved out here.? It would be hard to find a
stronger iris.? > > Then, I went to the bed of the years before (13 & 14
series) and dug Star Gate, Tara's Choice, Memphis Miss and a sibling?&
Vanishing Act.? SG & TC had already fall bloomed.? VA had won an EC and MM &
it's sibling were simply "perfect."? > > One of my spring projects is to
"save" the genes from 1912 (Lemon Reflection x Next Millennium.)??There were
NO takes with a dozen or so in their maiden bloom.??All of the seedlings had
great substance, good height?and good branching.? The standards were all open,
the colors pale and washed out,?and form was a bit more retro than I would
have liked.? None rebloomed and none will be introduced, but I plan to save a
couple of the strongest and take it a generation or so further.?> > My
definition of strong (as it pertains to this post)?is good looking foliage
with strong roots?and good growth.??In most cases they turn out to have good
disease resistance, also, but not always.? > > Betty W/zone 6/KY/Bridge In
Time Gardens/> > - -----Original Message-----> From: Linda Mann
<lmann@lock-net.com>> To: iris@hort.net> Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 5:53 am>
Subject: [iris] Re: HYB: seedling leftovers?, drought> > > According to NOAA,
east TN is "showing improvement" in the seasonal drought outlook.?>
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/seasonal_drought.html
?> ?> We are still D3, Extreme Drought conditions, but the distance from me to
?D1, Moderate Drought is getting a tiny bit closer on the map. I suspect this
week's rain will move us to at least D2. Looks like KY is no longer
experiencing drought.?> http://www.drought.unl.edu/DM/monitor.html?> ?> Betty
asked:?> <Linda, when I look at the regional and national weather maps, it
appears that you are on the south east edge of the systems that park over
us.>?> ?> Not sure where we are for <this> year, but it doesn't much matter
for long term (i.e., this year's growing season). I think we wound up at
around 30 inches for last year, compared to "average" of 45 or 50? I've lost
track of what the current average is. Used to be around 60 inches.?> ?> <How
is your current rainfall in comparision to the "average?"? For the year?? >?>
?> The Miracle Gro bed from last fall, packed tight with storebought rhizomes
sure was convenient. But I wish I knew more about how that would work in the
long term before using it for 'warehousing' seedlings.?> ?> <My experience
with Miracle Grow beds is limited.>?> ?> This is more or less what I've been
doing also. In November, some of my poor babies were still in the 4 inch
germination pots I use. Needless to say, they weren't very big by the time I
got the last of them moved to bigger pots. Depending on the size, I've been
putting up to 15 leftover seedlings in 3 or 4 gallon pots.?> ?> Loic, I fill
these big pots about half full of fresh horse manure, then fill in to the top
with half and half re-used "dirty perlite" and decomposed manure from older
pots.?> ?> Betty said:?> <My seedlings have always been held over in the same
mum pots where they germinate.? ... Some have gone on to put up stalks and
bloom in those germination pots.? ....?Three surviving seedlings were planted
in 13 inch pots, one each.? ...?> ?> With noted exceptions, I plant the
strongest looking 12 seedlings from each cross.?? ...The rest go back in pots
or stay in the pot depending on whether I "lift" the strongest in a large
group, or break up the entire clump.? ..With multiple pots, I plant from one
pot and allow the others to grow undisturbed.??> ?> ...Around labor day,
I?transplanted the strongest of several of those into the 13 inch pots.? Most
have several increases now and look good.? As to bloom, we'll have to wait and
see.? >?> ?> and Loic said:?> ?> <Of course i replant the biggest too, and ,
of course, they are the ones who?> came first and had more time to grow: when
12 have been planted, too bad for?> the others...! (not even left in the pots
but thrown on the compost heap.?> might keep them now, with you saying they
can survive in their pots; i might?> even replant them as a bulk into a bigger
pot with richer soil.)>?> ?> Loic, I know this business about early bloom
being linked to rebloom is "common wisdom", but I don't believe it. All I've
found in my late freeze prone location is that "early bloom" is linked to no
bloom at all! (i.e., frozen out). This does seem to be the habit of many
(most?) cycle rebloomers, which is why I don't have much interest in them. But
I do have a lot of rebloomers that are not frozen out, or bloom over a long
enough time period that later stalks survive. I guess most of these are either
"summer" bloomers or have that potential in good growing conditions (IMM, VIOL
MIRACLE, BELVI QUEEN, RENOWN, STAR GATE etc). The only really reliable cycle
rebloomer here that comes to mind is HARVEST OF MEMORIES.?> ?> However, the
<foliage> on these early germinants does tend to be fairly freeze tolerant.?>
?> I wonder if the theory that early germination is linked to rebloom has come
from breeders doing what you've been doing - throwing away the later
germinants.?> ?> <I imagine after several generations with this system, only
the early genes?> might be selected.?> But they should also be resitant to
early frost, since these early ones have?> been through a very cold start.?>
And as well as selecting for early + tough, maybe i's also a way to select?>
more rebloom genes, since rebloomers seem to be early ones.>?> - -- Linda Mann
east Tennessee USA zone 7/8?> East Tennessee Iris Society
<http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>?> Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee
<http://www.aisregion7.org>?> American Iris Society web site
<http://www.irises.org>?> talk archives:
<http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>?> photos archives:
<http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>?> online R&I
<http://www.irisregister.com>?> ?> ?> > ------------------------------> > End
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