Re: Digest Number 2150
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Subject: [iris-talk] Digest Number 2150
>
> There are 17 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
> From: oneofcultivars@aol.com
> 2. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
> 3. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
> 4. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> 5. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: "Colleen Modra" <irises@senet.com.au>
> 6. Re: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
> From: birdwoman424@aol.com
> 7. Re: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
> From: birdwoman424@aol.com
> 8. Re: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
> From: "nmogens" <neilm@charter.net>
> 9. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: oneofcultivars@aol.com
> 10. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: oneofcultivars@aol.com
> 11. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: "Mike Greenfield" <redear@infinet.com>
> 12. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: donald@eastland.net
> 13. OT-CHAT: Another sad loss
> From: laurief <laurief@paulbunyan.net>
> 14. Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
> From: Connie George <cfgeorge@comcast.net>
> 15. CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
> From: kellydn@frontiernet.net
> 16. RE: CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
> From: "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca>
> 17. RE: CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
> From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:26:41 EDT
> From: oneofcultivars@aol.com
> Subject: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
>
> I am looking for strong growing, TB, reverse amoenas (white falls, darker
> top).
> Does anyone have suggestions?
>
> Bill Burleson 7a/b
> Old South Iris Society
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:29:52 -0500
> From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> Walter,
>
> (Wondering why sprinkling with overhead
> >sprinklers causes more rot than rainfall).
>
> I can't tell that does make a difference. I'm just as apt to have rot,
> maybe more so, after rain at the wrong time than I am to cause it by
> overhead watering. I get the most rot without either - the ground is dry,
> dry, dry and the rot still appears. It's there and I'm dealing with it,
> then get the rain. In that situation, the rain does seem to exacerbate
the
> situation. As would watering by any method, I think. Probably my own
> estimation of a lot of rot is somewhat less than it is for others. Half a
> dozen plants out of four hundred or so probably doesn't qualify, but for
me
> it's a major worry. I use overhead watering a lot, too. Because it's
> faster and I get more water out where I want it. I don't think it's the
> preferable method, just easier in my situation for the time being.
>
> Donald Eaves
> donald@eastland.net
> Texas Zone 7b, USA
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:54:25 -0500
> From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> Bill,
>
> >So
> >rightly or wrongly so, I have concluded that dramatic changes in the
> >enviorenment of stressed plants increases their suseptability to rot if
> other
> >conditions are favorable for the bacteria's growth.
>
> I think this is a good observation. My own observation is that it does
not
> wait for extra moisture. It just needs to have the plant in the proper
> stage of stress. Water as an activator only applies when the plant is NOT
> under stress and then perhaps too much water causes stress and thus the
rot
> appears. Not because of the water per se, but rather the stress the water
> has caused. So I see it more under bone dry conditions than in wet ones.
I
> seldom get enough water here.
>
> Donald Eaves
> donald@eastland.net
> Texas Zone 7b, USA
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:52:47 -0700
> From: John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> I have always been told, and it seems to be effective, to water them
> every three days until they are established, then water when the soil is
> dry 3 inches down.
>
> Works fine here. Twice a day seems really excessive. Soil does not have
> to be wet to encourage root growth.
>
>
>
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> | to indicate the edge of the known world.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:02:32 +1000
> From: "Colleen Modra" <irises@senet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> Hi
>
> We never overhead water our irises. I'd be too worried about rot. We use
> T-tape, thin black plastic tubing with little slits every 8 or 12 inches.
It
> is also a far more ecconomical way to use water.
>
> We discourage customers from planting TBs in Jan-Feb (our really hot, dry
> months) as most can't resist over watering and causing rot. In our
climate
> of mild winters and very hot summers, we recommend transplanting immed
after
> flowering (Nov-early Dec) or in autumn March to May, depending on when
the
> season breaks. We do our own transplanting May - July with very little
> interference to blooming in Oct.
>
> With summer transplanting, if I do it, I'd water a little every 2-3 days
for
> a couple of weeks (until growth starts), then no more than once a week.
This
> way I lose very few.
>
> BTW isn't it amazing how plants know the difference between irrrigation
and
> real rain. They always respond so much better to rain, especially in a low
> rainfall climate.
>
> Colleen Modra
> Adelaide Hills
> South Australia
> zone 8/9
> irises@senet.com.au
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <oneofcultivars@aol.com>
> To: <iris-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/14/2002 10:01:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > wmoores@watervalley.net writes:
> >
> >
> > > Walter Moores
> > > Enid Lake, MS USA 7/8 (Wondering why sprinkling with overhead
> > > sprinklers causes more rot than rainfall).
> > >
> >
> > My experience watering irises overhead is limited. The only time I have
> ever
> > watered them is after planting. If they have not received rain within
one
> > week of planting I overhead water with 1.5 to 2 inches. I water again in
2
> > weeks if they again fail to get water in that period of time. Then I
> forget
> > about further watering. I've not noticed any rot resulting from these
> periods
> > of overhead watering.
> >
> > All that being said, I have experienced bacterial crown rot overhead
> watering
> > daylilies. Crown rot in daylilies appears to be the equivalent of soft
rot
> in
> > irises. Both having similar, if not the same, foul odor and both having
> > similar, if not the same, effect on the plants. Reducing them to mush.
> >
> > In daylilies crown rot most often occures naturally when the plants
> undergo
> > long periods of moist, warm, humid conditions. It does however occure in
> > another instance. When plants are stessed e.g. they have undergone an
> > extended period of drought and then receive copious amounts of overhead
> > watering (rain or overhead irrigation) they may contract crown rot. So
> > rightly or wrongly so, I have concluded that dramatic changes in the
> > enviorenment of stressed plants increases their suseptability to rot if
> other
> > conditions are favorable for the bacteria's growth. No suprise I'm sure,
> but
> > some daylily lines are significantly more susceptable than others.
> >
> > It could be that we sometimes do not water until we feel sorry for the
> plants
> > and we do not feel sorry for the plants until they are stressed.
> >
> > Smiles with opinions not expertese on all subjects,
> > Bill Burleson 7a/b
> > Old South Iris Society
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:58:46 EDT
> From: birdwoman424@aol.com
> Subject: Re: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
>
> in reverse
> upside down
>
> Margie Brown, New York Zone 7
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:09:52 EDT
> From: birdwoman424@aol.com
> Subject: Re: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
>
> crowned heads - keppel
>
>
> Margie Brown, New York Zone 7
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:26:42 -0000
> From: "nmogens" <neilm@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: CULT:HYB:TB:REB:Seeking Reverse Amoenas
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., oneofcultivars@a... wrote:
> > I am looking for strong growing, TB, reverse amoenas (white falls,
> darker
> > top).
> > Does anyone have suggestions?
>
> ==Although not as strongly contrasted as others mentioned, FOGBOUND
> of Keppel's has proven to be a particularly reliable and vigorous
> grower here in Western North Carolina. It is the parent of some very
> constrasty reverse bicolors (dark tops), is highly fertile and
> apparently a super parent. Also, the foliage is very sharp, clean,
> attractive, and there seems to be a fair amount of borer resistance
> (from Honky Tonk Blues ancestry) present in the variety-a definite
> plus for us.
>
> Neil Mogensen z 6b/7a near Asheville, Hendersonville NC
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:40:41 EDT
> From: oneofcultivars@aol.com
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2002 7:07:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
> donald@eastland.net writes:
>
>
> > (Wondering why sprinkling with overhead
> > >sprinklers causes more rot than rainfall).
> >
> > I can't tell that does make a difference. I'm just as apt to have rot,
> > maybe more so, after rain at the wrong time than I am to cause it by
> > overhead watering. I get the most rot without either - the ground is
dry,
> > dry, dry and the rot still appears. It's there and I'm dealing with it,
> > then get the rain. In that situation, the rain does seem to exacerbate
the
> > situation. As would watering by any method, I think.
>
> Assuming for a moment that overhead watering causes more rot than rain.
> There is at least one difference between the two that bares some
> consideration. During periods of rain solar radiation/light levels are
> reduced by cloud cover. It may be that reduction in production of
essential
> plant chemicals, chlorophyl, etc., have some baring on the results.
>
> Or, going back to a previous post, e.g., transpiration function of leaves
may
> have a baring here. While I do not know how pores react with changes in
light
> levels it seems plausible that when they sense lower light levels they
might
> open in anticipation of arriving moisture and open that end of the pipe
line
> to start pumping. When watering overhead the plant has received no signal
to
> open the pores hence a moisture imbalance between the plants needs and
what
> it possesses is created beyond its ability to rectify.
>
> If one were comparing this situation to an electrical circuit, the water
> would be the electrical current, the plant would be a capacitor. The
> applicable electrical law states the current (water) cannot
instantaneously
> change when flowing through a capacitor (plant).
>
> Speculating with no basis in experience or fact,
>
> Bill Burleson 7a/b
> Old South Iris Society
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:56:42 EDT
> From: oneofcultivars@aol.com
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> In a message dated 8/15/2002 7:41:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
> oneofcultivars@aol.com writes:
>
>
> > If one were comparing this situation to an electrical circuit, the water
> > would be the electrical current, the plant would be a capacitor. The
> > applicable electrical law states the current (water) cannot
instantaneously
> >
> > change when flowing through a capacitor (plant).
> >
>
> Oops! I think that would be an inductor rather than a capacitor.
>
> Bill Burleson
> Who often garbles words and electrical components.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:22:08 -0400
> From: "Mike Greenfield" <redear@infinet.com>
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> I think generaly rain has a lower PH than well or tap water. It does
here. Might this be a reason ?
>
> Mike Greenfield
> Zone 5b SW Ohio
> redear@infinet.com
> http://www.geocities.com/mikeg1310/
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:25:20 GMT
> From: donald@eastland.net
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> Bill:
>
> > Assuming for a moment that overhead watering causes more
> rot than rain.
> > There is at least one difference between the two that
> bares some
> > consideration. During periods of rain solar
> radiation/light levels are
> > reduced by cloud cover. It may be that reduction in
> production of essential
> > plant chemicals, chlorophyl, etc., have some baring on
> the results.
>
> Possibly some more good speculation. If my watering is
> done at night, the resulting aggravation to the plants is
> much less than if I do it in sun hours. Notwithstanding
> that the plants do not dry as fast in the night situation.
>
> Donald Eaves
> donald@eastland.net
> Texas Zone 7b, USA
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 02 08:39:21 -0500
> From: laurief <laurief@paulbunyan.net>
> Subject: OT-CHAT: Another sad loss
>
> Good morning, All,
>
> I have sad news of another loss to the iris community. Fred Stephenson
> passed away on Monday. The obituary which I have copied to the end of
> this post makes only brief mention of his many contributions to the AIS
> organization and irisarians in general, which I know were substantial. I
> corresponded with Fred briefly a year or two ago and kept all of our
> communications on a computer drive I can no longer access.
> Unfortunately, my memory is as poorly functioning as my computer drive,
> but here is what I *think* I remember of my conversations with Fred.
>
> Fred was asked to develop the AIS judge's training program and write the
> original JT manual back when the program was initiated. As a result of
> his work on the program, he was awarded Judge Emeritus standing. He also
> hybridized and introduced some irises in the 70's and 80's and owned and
> ran a commercial iris garden for some period of time. Within the last
> couple of years, he donated a large number of iris-related print
> resources (old Bulletins, JT manuals, and other references) to the AIS
> and/or HIPS libraries. Although I don't believe Fred participated in
> iris-talk, he did frequent GardenWeb's Iris Forum and provided much
> useful information to the people on the Forum over the years.
>
> I'm afraid that's all I remember of our correspondences. Perhaps those
> of you who knew Fred can help fill in the blanks regarding his
> involvement with AIS and dedication to irises throughout his lifetime.
>
> I'm certain Fred's family's would be very appreciative of any cards and
> condolences. The address for His daugher and son-in-law is:
>
> FAMILY OF FRED STEPHENSON
> 5608 Merriman Road SW
> Roanoke, VA 24018
>
> Fred's obituary follows:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> STEPHENSON, Frederick G., 89, of Roanoke, passed away Monday,
> August 12, 2002, at his home. He was born November 5, 1912, to
> Nannie and Vonner Lee Stephenson. He was predeceased by an infant
> sister, Ruth Geraldine and two brothers, Garland of Washington,
> D.C., and Earl of Philadelphia. He is survived by his wife of 52
> years, Adelaide Deisher; a daughter, Janice and her husband, Stan
> King; a son, Bryan and his wife, Lynn; and six grandchildren,
> Aaron, Nathan, and Brandon King, and Samantha, Hannah, and
> Virginia Grace Stephenson, all of Roanoke. Also surviving is a
> brother, Elbert and his wife, Madine of Bedford; sister, Margaret
> Howard of Bristol, Tenn.; and sister-in-law, Beatrice Stephenson
> of Philadelphia, Pa.
>
> After graduating from high school, he accepted a job in
> Washington, D.C. with the C&P Telephone Company. After 14 years,
> the call of the mountains was too great and in 1946 he transferred
> to Roanoke where he continued to work until he took early
> retirement in 1975. He had a lifelong belief that every man had an
> obligation to provide a service for his fellow man. In pursuit of
> this obligation he worked with the Roanoke County Recreation
> Department and organized many national tours for senior citizens.
>
> Prior to this he became interested in growing irises and became
> very knowledgeable to the extent that he conducted Iris Judging
> Schools for the American Iris Society in Atlanta, Dallas,
> Milwaukee, Albuquerque, as well as other cities. He was an AIS
> Judge Emeritus.
>
> Expanding his teaching, he taught hobby classes to Senior Citizens
> in Roanoke County, Roanoke City and Salem. His most popular
> classes were basket weaving and chair caning. Because of his
> experience finding help during the final days of his mother and
> wife's mother, he saw the need for Adult Care for those entrusted
> with the care of the elderly. After spending four years planning
> such a facility and fighting government red tape, the Adult Care
> Center of Roanoke became a reality on June 5, 1983, with the help
> of the League of Older Americans, the Kiwanis Club of Roanoke, and
> The Salvation Army. He served as the director during its first
> year. During his lifetime he was very active in his church, having
> taught teens and preteens for a total of 27 years. Other
> activities included organizing and working with the Senior Adults
> as well as many other church activities.
>
> Another of his great loves was the Blue Ridge Parkway. He spent
> several years as a volunteer and supporter of its interests as a
> member of Friends of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Instead of flowers,
> donations should be made to the Adult Care Center of Roanoke, 1970
> Roanoke Blvd., VAMC 76-1, Salem, Va. 24153; Roanoke Friends of the
> Blue Ridge Parkway, P.O. Box 20986, Roanoke, Va. 24018; or the
> Grandin Court Baptist Church Music Fund, 2260 Brambleton Avenue,
> Roanoke, Va. 24015. Memorial services will be held Thursday,
> August 15, 2002, at 7 p.m. at the Grandin Court Baptist Church
> with the Rev. Kevin Meadows, Rev. Cindy Meadows, and the Rev.
> Jerry Marsh officiating. Interment will be private. The family
> will receive friends after the service on Thursday at the church.
> Arrangements by Lotz Funeral Home, Salem Chapel.
>
>
>
>
> -----------------
> laurief@paulbunyan.net
> http://www.geocities.com/lfandjg/
> zone 3b northern MN - clay soil
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:17:38 -0400
> From: Connie George <cfgeorge@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: CULT:Watering Twice a Day
>
> I am wondering if there is a difference between using well water and city
> supplied water. I know of two chemicals that is added to our water,
fluoride
> and chlorine. What do you think?
>
> Connie
> z7 Chesterfield VA
> member AIS, RIS and CVIS
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:55:50 -0400
> From: kellydn@frontiernet.net
> Subject: CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
>
> Has anyone on this list every tried growing seed from crosses in a
> greenhouse to speed up time. My scenario would be to sow seeds in pot,
> place the pot outside for approx. 2 mos in the winter and bring back in
for
> germination and growth. Would this be any gain over the "traditional"
> system? Thanks!
>
> Botanically,
>
>
> Kelly D. Norris
> Master Gardener/Freelance Writer
> Bedford, Iowa
> Zone 4b/5a
> "Why do we sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when we are already there?"
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:18 -0400
> From: "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca>
> Subject: RE: CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
>
> Hi Kelly,
>
> There are a number of ways to speed up growth of your seeds. George
Sutton
> germinates his seed by freezing them. The method was written up in the
AIS
> bulletin a year or so ago. A common method is to soak in water in the
> fridge for a week or so but changing the water every day or two. A few
> people soak their seeds in the toilet tank (it's TRUE).
>
> You can also grow the germinated seedling indoors for one winter. We
> actually did our in the hydroponics unit one year. You get a lot of
growth
> on the seedling before it goes out side. I believe most of the seedlings
> bloomed the next year when we did this. I'm sure Sandy will have
something
> to say as he does all of the work on the seedlings.
>
> Maureen
> Ottawa, Ontario (zone 4) -- still looking for more rain
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kellydn@frontiernet.net [k*@frontiernet.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:56 PM
> To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [iris-talk] CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
>
>
> Has anyone on this list every tried growing seed from crosses in a
> greenhouse to speed up time. My scenario would be to sow seeds in pot,
> place the pot outside for approx. 2 mos in the winter and bring back in
for
> germination and growth. Would this be any gain over the "traditional"
> system? Thanks!
>
> Botanically,
>
>
> Kelly D. Norris
> Master Gardener/Freelance Writer
> Bedford, Iowa
> Zone 4b/5a
> "Why do we sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when we are already there?"
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: CULT/HYB: Growing seeds in greenhouse setting
>
> --- "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca> wrote:
>
> >>>> George Sutton germinates his seed by freezing
> them. <<<<
>
> Ha...I started doing that about 5 years ago and I
> remember folks saying that was verboten. (sp. ?) If
> George does it, too, it's gotta be OK. :-) I never
> stopped freezing my iris and daylily seeds...then I
> plant in side in covered flats in the basement and
> bring up around end of March to first floor and
> sunlight - that way everyone gets to step, stumble on
> them and the dogs can bark at them,etc. ;-)
>
> After sunny time inside, I either plant outside at the
> end of May or POT (where is Arnold K. ?) if they are
> not large enough for my liking (my least fav. way to
> play with dirt) and put the no-shows down in the
> basement to check if I remember.
>
> One year, two hosta seedlings got away from me and
> tried to take over the basement. Husband said, "What
> the h... is that?" Planted them outside and they
> promptly bit the dust - they were just cellar hostas I
> guess.
>
> Greenhouse is in the works but we are doing it
> ourselves so this may take two years (we have snow on
> the ground 8 mos. of the year).
>
> Ellen - 92 F degrees and can only guess about 99%
> humidity. Still planted daylilies today and watered
> Siberians...
>
>
>
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> Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Berlin, NH/The Great North Woods/Zone 3
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