Re: MTB vs. BB

Hi Dorothy,

Admittedly, some of those on the list likely don't really belong with the
others.  'Whoop Em Up' made me hesitate a bit when I was copying the list, and
probably just hasn't lived up to it's potential here (it is rather small and
delicate in form, but maybe it'll grow out of that after it settles in
better?).  I don't know it's ploidy, but from what you just said, it is
probably a tetraploid.  I should have had a question mark in front of it.
Probably more like 'Wabash', similar, but doesn't really belong here.  I think
the weakest line between my list and an established AIS grouping is definitely
with the MTB's, since these are basically like large versions of those, and
probably share a lot of the same ancestry.  Actually they almost all grow
within MTB limits most of the time here, but my conditions are a bit harsh.
Most of those on my list are more stout than usual for an MTB, particularly
the stalks, fans, and tubers, they mostly have partly scarious spathes, while
most of the smaller MTB's have nearly all green spathes.  I know this Is
pretty fuzzy.  There are some on the list I don't grow yet, so the list is
probably in need of some serious fine tuning.  Regardless, it gives the
general impression of the sort of Iris I'm talking about.

Actually I didn't mention it, but several of those on the list have  also been
associated with I. pallida.  They are clearly not pure I. pallida though.
These often have PBF, partly green bracts, strong striping on the falls, etc.
Traits clearly derived from outside of I. pallida, I would think likely from
I. variegata.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: DWiris@aol.com
  To: iris@hort.net
  Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [iris] MTB vs. BB


  In a message dated 8/9/03 7:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
manzano57@msn.com
  writes:

  > 'Chelsea Turner'
  >

  Hi Dave,

  We grow CHELSEA TURNER (Norrick 1999) which is registered as MTB and it
grows
  within MTB limits for us.  Its parents are SPANISH COINS X TOPSY TURVY.  I
  was surprised to see WHOOP EM UP on your list.  It won the Knowlton Medal as
a
  Border Bearded in 1981.  A quick look through the checklists shows
tetraploid
  TBs in its ancestry such as BANG and PRAIRIE SUNSET.  my problem with WHOOP
EM
  UP is that it is somewhat tall and large for BB standards.

  Dorothy Willott in Northern Ohio

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