Re: AIS: HIST: REF: Early Checklists

 Good morning/or evening if you are on other side of world to everyone.

It seems I started something with asking about Sun Dancer, not knowing it
was an historic.

But when I first joined this group I thought NOID was a name of an iris for
a while.
That's sort of how I came up w ZUNK for unknowns. UNK worked fine in my list
for a while (at the time not knowing I could have used term NOID) but then I
acquired some iris that started w letters past the U so it didn't look right
on my list. So I added a Z to the unk so it would come last by the computer.
I may have to make it 2 Z's if I get an iris past ZU.

From someone that grew the tallest tumbleweed (not knowing it was that)
simple b/c it was something green in the desert. Now I grow iris. They like
the desert also. No more tumbleweeds.

Most of the talk lately has been over my head, but I've enjoyed reading it
anyway. Never know when I might learn a new term. HA, if not, make up my own
 !!!!!!!!


Linda in CW AZ
-------Original Message-------

From: ChatOWhitehall@aol.com
Date: 08/02/07 06:18:03
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] AIS: HIST: REF: Early Checklists

In a message dated 8/2/2007 12:22:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jijones@usjoneses.com writes:

You know I was new to irises in 1992, and I don't remember having  any
difficulty understanding what "standards" or "falls" were or  getting
acclimated to any of the particular jargon used by the AIS  and
irisarians, nor do I think is is or was elitist.



That is the way it was with me, too. I wonder what we are doing  or saying
that is reckoned to be so daunting?

A presumption appears to have gained favor in some AIS circles  that new
folks are alienated by rhetoric or concepts at any level  above the most
intuitive
so that AIS' posture must be elemental in the  extreme to protect them, and
the society, from the effects of  their own timidity.

I hope I am reading things wrong, because think this is a  really unsound
presumption.

I don't think most people are that timid. I don't think people with
adequate
self-esteem are intimidated by awareness of their own ignorance. I  think
people join special interest societies in part to  remedy ignorance of a
subject
about which they decide they want  to know more.

They also join to hang with folks and have some fun. This does not mean
hang
only with people just like they are. A person has to be prepared to  hang
with all sorts of people who are interested in irises if that person  joins
AIS.
This could mean people who approach the subject from entirely  different
perspectives, and entirely different backgrounds, with entirely  different
mindsets, and entirely different vocabularies, some of whom may  turn out to
be people
with whom one would not hang were one not  interested in irises....too
highbrow, too lowbrow, too fond of scolding other  folks, too competative,
boring,
whatever.

Anyway, I think there is something vaguely condescending about the
presumption. I won't say it is elitist, because I don't think it quite
rises to that
level, but were I a new person, I might not welcome the  awareness that
someone
assumed I required such obvious  coddling.

Of course, the last and best word on all this sort of thing  was provided by
Eleanor Roosevelt, who observed,  "No one can made you  feel inferior
without
your permission."

Cordially,

Anner Whitehead
Richmond VA USA







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