Re: iris DIGEST V1 #95

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> iris DIGEST          Sunday, December 3 2006          Volume 01 : Number
095
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>
>
> In this issue:
>
>         [iris] Re: HYB:REB:Hybridizing for Semi
>         [iris] RE: CULT:  Are vine borers and iris borers the same?
>         [iris] Re: HYB:REB:Daylight Dependent & Independent
>         [iris] [iris-talk]HYB:REB:Hybridizing for Semi-Dummies
>         Re: [iris] HYB: diploid x non diploid.
>         [iris] Re: HYB: diploid x non diploid.
>         [iris] RE-REBLOOM REPORT ZONE 6
>         [iris] Re: Vanishing Act
>         Re: [iris]HYB:Crosses:Natural selection
>         Re: [iris] Re: HYB:REB:Hybridizing for Semi
>         Re: [iris] Re: tb- SEA WORLD -REB (photos)
>         [iris] RE: Sutton Rebloom seedling
>         Re: [iris] CULT:  FERTILIZER: water and what-not
>         Re: [iris] Re:  HYB:CULT:water and seedlings
>         Re: [iris] Re:  HYB:CULT:water and seedlings
>         Re: [iris] RE: CULT:  Are vine borers and iris borers the same?
>>>
> Hello   Loic,

>>     Rebloom ended in mid October due to repeated hard frosts.  In
November several >>more  started
>  new stalks but I cut them out as they could never make maturity in time
to bloom.  We had >>about an inch of ice on November 30, and below 32 degree
weather since then.  I love your >photos, and admire your ambition in
hybridizing.  Like Betty says, if you don't cross them you >can't plant
them.  I have hopes for many more rebloomers next year.  Thanks for your
response.
>> Rose Kinnard
>>>zone 6
>>Fredericktown, Mo
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:17:32 +0100
> From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
> Subject: [iris] RE-REBLOOM REPORT ZONE 6
>
> Hello Rose
>
> Thanks so much for sending your report.
>
> Must have been a lot of typing!
>
> It's a big help to know what can rebloom in other gardens of the same
zone.
> It gives hope that one daysomething might happen too in my garden to some
of
> my irises!
> it also gives me tips on the ones that still can be used as rebloomers
even if
> they don't rebloom here.
> Particularly the ones that have rebloomed early for you.
>
> Do you have irises still in bloom now or has frost already cooked
everything?
> - ----------------------------------------------
> Loic TASQUIER     zone 6 - Nederland
>  Email : tasquierloic@cs.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:16:50 -0500
> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
> Subject: [iris] Re: Vanishing Act
>
> VA is probably my favorite of Betty's intros I grow.  So far. <g> Nice
> photos.
>
>
> - --
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.korrnet.org/etis>
> American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>
> talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
> photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
> online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:00:43 +0100
> From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris]HYB:Crosses:Natural selection
>
> You're totally right Betty,
> > If you don't cross them, you can't plant them > !
>
> This line of yours has been the best incentive for my starting crosses on
a
> BIG scale.
> And i must thank you for that. Even if i'll be facing a mob of at least 10
> 000sdlgs in June!
> But now i can also thank you (and Monty Byers) for lifting my already
> building up guilt, knowing i won't replant ALL the sdlgs that will come
from
> the 500 pods that are now waiting in their pots.
> It will be with your blessings that i might let most of them wait more
than
> planned!
>
> If i manage to buy that 2 acres field close to the village, then i'll have
> room alright, but the guy wants 83 000$ ( yes you heard !)and i had set my
> maximum on 60 which is already 10 times more than what it costs in my
former
> village in Normandy-France...
>
> If not, the selection will have to be drastic, if i replant too much then
> there will be absolutely no room for the following year!
>
> You're also very right that even if you get carried away during the
> pollinaisation, there comes a time selection must happen.
> And it's much easier to select at the time of replanting, let's try to
sort
> out why:
>
> 1-They all had a chance. The ones that didn't germinate, too bad for
> them...That is the easiest selection.
> 2-because of simple exhaustion. It's already hard work to replant, not to
> mention the preparation of the soil, but then you must keep track of the
> different sdlgs on a map of the beds, always fearing any mixup that would
> ruin a whole year of work...
> 3-because we have time over winter to go through the list of crosses made,
> some still keep seeming interesting, but some, gradually loose interest.
Or
> you realise that some are redondant, or won't REALLY bring anything more
> than what you already have! These pots will finally be easily discarded.
> 4- And this is new...it might become a new trend...to let them spend a
year
> crowded in their tiny pots, like a familly of bonzai!
>
>
> - ----------------------------------------------
> Loic TASQUIER     zone 6 - Nederland
>  Email : tasquierloic@cs.com
>
>
>
> - -- Original Message -----
> From: <Autmirislvr@aol.com>
> To: <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:30 PM
> Subject: [iris]HYB:Crosses:Natural selection
>
>
>
> > My signature . . . "If you don't cross them, you can't plant them!"
> >
> > This is basically true.
>  .
> > 3) Transplant the seedlings.  This is where my personal selectivity
> > usually
> > kicks in.  This is where I have to make choices.  If I don't  have room
> > for
> > all seedlings?  Then I plant two types of  seedlings.  A) the ones I
think
> > have
> > the best chance for rebloom,  and B) my personal favorites.
> >
> > I have a hard time throwing plants away, so the left over seedlings sit
in
> > their pots until I finally plant them or they all die.  Iris seedlings
are
> > really quite sturdy.  Sometimes these irises in the pots bloom.  Like
the
> > lovely
> > white from the Edith Wolford+ seedlings . . . so then they were  planted
> > out.
> > One bloomed this past July.  Then the white bearded red  which I still
> > haven't planted out.
> >
> > Watered well with Miracle Grow, I've had pods mature good seed in 2
inches
> > of potting soil in the bottom of a mum pot!  Foundation for some of my
> > best
> > rebloom seedlings.
> >
> > Or the pots sprout more seed.  This happened with 1708.  (only 4
sprouted
> > total) I didn't have room prepared in the garden so I transplanted
three
> > of
> > these into large pots.  One was the gorgeous pink over lavender  with
red
> > beards
> > that I posted this spring.  Seed from it are in a pot this  fall.
> >
> > Think of the opportunities and beautiful sights I'd missed, if I didn't
> > 'make that cross?'
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________
> > Betty W.  in South-central KY Zone 6 ---If you don't cross them, you
can't
> > plant them!
> > Bridge In Time Iris Garden@website:
> > Where the seeds are in the pots once  again!
> > _www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/_
> > (http://www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/)
> > _Reblooming Iris - Home Page_ (http://www.rebloomingiris.com/)
> > _iris-photos archives_ (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/)
> > _iris-talk archives_ (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/)
> > _AIS: American Iris Society website_ (http://www.irises.org/)
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 11:43:24 EST
> From: Autmirislvr@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:REB:Hybridizing for Semi
>
> In a message dated 12/3/2006 10:15:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> lmann@lock-net.com writes:
>
> <<Betty, I hope by throwing all the various rebloom lines  together that
> you will come out with some everbloomers that are  heterozygous for <all>
> the available types of rebloom, all in one  package!>>
>
> Wouldn't that be great?  So far 1810 seems to have produced . . .  repeat,
> cycle & everblooming/continuous/non-daylight dependant  rebloomers!  But
they
> were only planted in May of 2005 and it's hard to say  what capabilities
they
> will show in time.  Maybe the cycles are really  everbloomers that didn't
grow
> fast enough?  I think I'll know in 10  years!  <vbg>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________
> Betty W.  in South-central KY Zone 6 ---If you don't cross them, you can't
> plant them!
> Bridge In Time Iris Garden@website:
> Where the seeds are in the pots once  again!
> _www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/_
> (http://www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/)
> _Reblooming Iris - Home Page_ (http://www.rebloomingiris.com/)
> _iris-photos archives_ (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/)
> _iris-talk archives_ (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/)
> _AIS: American Iris Society website_ (http://www.irises.org/)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:27:35 +0100
> From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: tb- SEA WORLD -REB (photos)
>
> MY pleasure!
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@lock-net.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:44 PM
> Subject: [iris] Re: tb- SEA WORLD -REB (photos)
>
>
> > That is <lovely> - thanks for posting it, Loic.  Bought that one many
> > years ago and it was a very rapid grower, but didn't like it here.  Nice
> > to finally see a photo.
> > --
> > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> > East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.korrnet.org/etis>
> > American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>
> > talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
> > photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
> > online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:48:14 -0500
> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
> Subject: [iris] RE: Sutton Rebloom seedling
>
> Yes, YB does carry rebloom.  & is a sporadic survivor here.  I finally
> managed to get a few seedlings from it (both ways), but it is stubborn.
>
> > That is a beauty also.  Does Yaquina Blue carry rebloom genes?  I have a
hard time getting it go grow and bloom at all here in the desert.  I have a
seedling that is an excellent repeat bloomer for me.  I call it my Faux
Yaquina Blue.  Its blossoms are the same size and color and similar shape,
and it grows like a weed.  Its fault is its short stalks and low bloom.
Ive been trying to get a cross between it and the real YB.  This fall I
planted them side by side.  FYB has made a healthy clump.  YB may not make
it at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Francelle Edwards  Glendale, AZ  Zone 9
>
>
> - --
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.korrnet.org/etis>
> American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>
> talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
> photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
> online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:37:33 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: pharcher@mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT:  FERTILIZER: water and what-not
>
> It may have depended on what fertilizer was used.  If that person had told
you to use a high phosphorus fertilzer then you might just have a mystery.
>
> If a higher nitrogen fertilzer was used it may have forced foliage growth
and/or abortion of stalk initiation as can happen with Spring bloom.
>
> Paul Archer
> Raleigh, NC  Zone 7
>
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> >From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
> >Sent: Dec 1, 2006 4:24 PM
> >To: iris@hort.net
> >Subject: [iris] CULT:  water and what-not
> >
> >
> >This year, I followed the advice of a reblooming hybridizer whom I
respect and
> >re-fed the rebloomers listed in the paragraph above immediately after
> >blooming.  They didn't rebloom.  Those not re-fed did.  Ah, sweet mystery
. .
> >.
> >
> >--  Griff
> >
> >zone 7 in Virginia
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:30:17 EST
> From: Autmirislvr@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re:  HYB:CULT:water and seedlings
>
> In a message dated 12/2/2006 2:25:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> tasquierloic@cs.com writes:
>
> <<Frost has not hit yet, Concoction is having another go.
> The  shape is not fabulous, but it's proving to be the best rebloomer
here!
> Will  definitely use it next spring.
> Have you ever had any results with  it?
> Maybe Betty has, hope she reads this, hello  Betty!>>
>
>
> Loic, I'm here!  I read all of your reports.  I'm amazed at your
collection.
>  I've not grown Concoction.  Not even sure I'd read about  it before, but
am
> quite familiar with JUICY FRUIT the parent.
>
> <<I agree with her about the ones we loose.
> The losses  are not overall the beds, they are specific to some crosses,
so
> we're better  off without them anyway.>>
>
>
>
> Some people have written that they dig out the weak seedlings and replant
> them in different soil to see if they will do better.  I say, "Let the
weak
> things die!"  Especially when I have a hundred or more (Or even a dozen!)
from
> that cross that want to live and prosper.   So what if I save it  and it's
> gorgeous but won't grow?  What a fancy tale this would make!   <vbg>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________
> Betty W.  in South-central KY Zone 6 ---
> Bridge In Time Iris Garden@website:
> Where  the seeds are in the pots once again!
> _www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/_
> (http://www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/)
> _Reblooming Iris - Home Page_ (http://www.rebloomingiris.com/)
> _iris-photos archives_ (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/)
> _iris-talk archives_ (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/)
> _AIS: American Iris Society website_ (http://www.irises.org/)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:21:39 +0100
> From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re:  HYB:CULT:water and seedlings
>
> Oh Linda, thanks for the tip!
> Indoor opening might do the trick of course!
> Just pick the bud before it opens, and put it inside in a bit of water.
>
> I might get a better success rate in my pollinisations. ( still, with 620
> ripe pods this year, i think i managed quite well, but i'm glad i did NOT
> count the failed attemps, it would be too discouraging! I've spent days on
> my knees this spring!)
>
> I leave the leaf spot problem not to be a problem. I just accept that at
> certain times the whole plot look all brown,
> as part of the lanscape, like the virginia creeper gets red in the autumn,
> or my blushing when i tell a silly joke.
> Battles you can't win aren't worth the effort!
> At the end of the day, or i should say at the beginning of the winter, the
> problem is solved anyway since almost all vegetation disapears!
>
> Frost has not hit yet, Concoction is having another go.
> The shape is not fabulous, but it's proving to be the best rebloomer here!
> Will definitely use it next spring.
> Have you ever had any results with it?
> Maybe Betty has, hope she reads this, hello Betty!
>
> I agree with her about the ones we loose.
> The losses are not overall the beds, they are specific to some crosses, so
> we're better off without them anyway.
> If they die, let it be.
>
> - ----------------------------------------------
> Loic TASQUIER     zone 6 - Nederland
>  Email : tasquierloic@cs.com
>
>
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@lock-net.com>
> To: "iris- talk" <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:43 PM
> Subject: [iris] Re: HYB:CULT:water and seedlings
>
>
> >I enjoy all the different perspectives too.
> >
> > And am very interested to hear your successes and failures in your rain
> > and dew soaked garden, Loic.  It sounds similar to here.  I am curious -
> > how do you manage to get dry pollen with so much humidity?  For the
really
> > stubborn ones, I had great success last year growing them in pots and
> > bringing the pots indoors (dehumidified air) when buds were about to
open.
> >
> > Also, do you try to treat for diseases (leaf spots) from all the
dampness?
> >
> > We had record high temperature here yesterday, now back to freezing.
> > Irises don't like that either!
> >
> >> For the ones i replanted directly in their definitive beds, made of 99%
> >> of clay no matter what i add to it, they had a harder time with 3 weeks
> >> of solid rain in August combined with the dew. But the losses were
among
> >> specific crosses, it was not an overall loss. So i think only the unfit
> >> disapeared. It saves a lot of heartbreaking decisions when you have to
> >> decide between the ones that can stay and the ones that deserve a quick
> >> reincarnation on the compost heap. At least, a lot of the latter have
> >> already gone!
> >>
> >> Thanks to you all for your mails, the wet ones as well as the dry ones
> >>
> >> It's great to see our world from so many differntpoints of view,
without
> >> even leaving our own single little plots of earth in which we have deep
> >> long roots.
> >>
> >> Loic
> >
> >
> > --
> > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> > East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.korrnet.org/etis>
> > American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>
> > talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
> > photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
> > online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:26:35 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Greenfield" <mgreenfield@cinci.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] RE: CULT:  Are vine borers and iris borers the same?
>
> The moths could have laid their eggs on the dead squash plants.
>
> Mike Greenfield
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Swann-Young" <MryL1@msn.com>
> To: "iris" <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:37 PM
> Subject: [iris] RE: CULT: Are vine borers and iris borers the same?
>
>
> > Not the season for this question, I know.
> >
> > Been thinking about how borers got in my new seedlings,
> > planted in virgin ground last spring.  Grew squash there
> > the year before.  I know big ones can travel, but these were
> > tiny hatchlings.
> >
> > Sure looks like the same varmint to me.
> >
> > Mary Lou, near Indianapolis, Z5
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
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