Re: HYB:seed planting

I live in zone 8 here in WA and plant my seeds in pots around Thanksgiving time and set them outside.. I have not soaked them prior to planting because I assume with all the moisture we have in WA, they receive enough "soaking." If I am wrong on this, let me know. I have not experienced great germination, ranging from 10% to at best 50%, so this is certainly an area that I would like to see great improvement in. My plants usually germinate in mid April. I do take my seeds out of the pod and let them dry in paper cups. It does appear that certain parents do have better germination than others. I had one cross that only produced one seedling. I do not replant the seeds that don't germinate; thought it would not be productive. Again, I am open to suggestions on this. 
Mel Cross
Zone 8
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       Re: [iris] HYB: pumila spot
       [iris] HYB: Ride the Tiger and Blue Eyed Blond
       [Fwd: [iris] HYB: Ride the Tiger and Blue Eyed Blond]
       [iris] HYB: seed planting
       Re: [iris] HYB: Ride the Tiger and Blue Eyed Blond
       Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
       Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
       Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
       Re: [iris] Re: HYB: Germination: Pots: Mechanics
       Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
       Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:21:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Robin Shadlow <rshadlow@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: pumila spot

Hi Martin,
Are you trying to work with SDBs, IBs or TB's? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there is really anything in TBs that has a true pumilla spot. Barry Blyth's IB Ingeniuos does, not sure if it is fertile at all. 

 I'll post a picture of Ingenious on iris-photos for you.

 Robin Shadlow
 zone 5 NE






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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:37:45 +0100
From: Martin Weber <martweb@arcor.de>
Subject: [iris] HYB: Ride the Tiger and Blue Eyed Blond

Does anyone know the ancastor of Blue Eyed Blonde and Ride the Tiger?

Greetings
Martin

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:48:18 +0100
From: Martin Weber <martweb@arcor.de>
Subject: [Fwd: [iris] HYB: Ride the Tiger and Blue Eyed Blond]

There is also the blue bearded Fortunate Son by Schreiner.
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Does anyone know the ancastor of Blue Eyed Blonde and Ride the Tiger?

Greetings
Martin

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:00:06 -0500
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
Subject: [iris] HYB: seed planting

I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors
that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the
following spring?

I figure the answer depends entirely on which parents are being used -
at least that's my experience with the refrigeration technique and
outdoor germination.

But we all know my experience is limited to iris hell - so this question
is for people in more "normal" iris growing areas in a "typical" winter.

Whatever <that> means anymore! ;-)
- -- Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8 
East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>
Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee <http://www.aisregion7.org>
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talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:04:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Robin Shadlow <rshadlow@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: Ride the Tiger and Blue Eyed Blond

Here's the listings off the online checklist (irisregister.com) for you:
    BLUE EYED BLOND
(A. Ensminger, R. 1989), Sdlg. 83-18. IB, 26" (64 cm), ML
"Yellow; violet beard tipped blue. Limpid Pools X 80-32: (78-55: (75-24:((68-21: (((Frost and Flame x (Gypsy Baron x Sass plicata sdlg.)) x (Frost and Flame x Belle Meade)) x Rippling Waters) x sib) x (((unknown x (Juego x (Pierre Menard x Sable Night))) x (Valimar x (Patience x Apricot Luster))) x Pay Dirt)) x 75-41: ((((Nonpareil x (Sugar Babe x Rippling Waters)) x Rippling Waters) x 68-21) x sib)) x 277-42: (Song of Eden x 75-24)). Varigay Gardens 1989 HM 1991, AM 1993, Sass 1995 
 RIDE THE TIGER
(Larry Lauer, R. 2002), Sdlg. 524-2. TB, 35" (89 cm), ML
"S. light silver grey, slight light naples yellow rim; style arms naples yellow; F. light silver grey, slight lavender cast paling to naples yellow rim; beards lavender, hairs tipped bronze; ruffled, lightly laced; slight spicy fragrance. Hager T5056: (Terra Bella sib x T4721YBlHr: (Come to Me sib x (Birthstone x Sky Hooks))) X 88-88-9: (86-26: (Nancy Glazier x Brandy) x 86-5, unknown). Lauer 2002
The online checklist are available for a minimal subscription- it is a great resource for pedigree research. 

 Robin Shadlow
 zone 5 NE










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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:39:15 -0500
From: "Mike Greenfield" <mgreenfield@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting

Germination in the past has been very bad for me 10 % to 15%. So I tried
something different. In December of 2005 I did the toilet tank soak for 3
weeks then froze the seeds till mid March and planted at that time. 2000
seeds about 80 germinated. They germinated in late May, normal is late
April. less than a 1/2 mile from me a friends seeds germinated in late
April. I sorted the seeds out of the pots finding half or more mushy and
rotted.

In  past years  after normal germination I would find rotted seeds. The
seeds were in 8" mum pots or gallon pots. Those pots were above ground with no protection. December 2006 I replanted most of the good seed from 2006 and about 1500 new ones. about 2,000 germinated. Close to 80%. When my seedlings 
get about 2" I transplant in 4" pots or 20 oz Styrofoam cups( these have
worked out better).
Frost heave is a problem and my potting soil is pretty loose so I added some 
bagged top soil to possible help this. The topsoil looked spoiled and
smelled bad, thinking so what it is dirt. Wrong! Those seedling did not grow well and are still behind. They are behind the ones in straight potting soil 
right now. There are seedlings from the same cross in both. Also I lost a
lot of seedlings  in the bad soil.

Topsoil will not be used again!

In the past I planted some seeds in April from a bee pod and had 3
germinate. I don't remember how many in the pod but would guess 20. And did not save any till the next year. At that time I did not know how to make a 
cross or plant seeds.

Mike Greenfield
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@lock-net.com> 

Subject: [iris] HYB: seed planting



I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors
that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the
following spring?

I figure the answer depends entirely on which parents are being used - at
least that's my experience with the refrigeration technique and outdoor
germination.

But we all know my experience is limited to iris hell - so this question
is for people in more "normal" iris growing areas in a "typical" winter.

Whatever <that> means anymore! ;-)
--
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:30:47 -0500
From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting

Mike  --  I don't trust bagged topsoil, so I stick with an old-fashioned
recipe.   I buy topsoil that is commercially produced locally (1/3 raw
topsoil, 1/3 sand and 1/3 well-rotted leaf mulch) and delivered by
truckload, since I use it to renew my beds and build new ones.  Then, in a
wheelbarrow, I mix 1/3 topsoil, 1/3 sand and 1/3 spaghnum moss. I bake that 
mix for an hour and a half in an old turkey broiler (outdoors, you can
bet!).  I can bake enough in a day to plant a couple of thousand seeds in
1-gallon pots at about 30 to a pot, if I start early enough. This kills the weed seeds and any other unwanted things that are in the commercial topsoil 
and sand and produces a medium that is free of bad stuff, but contains
nutrients. There's no frost heave if you mulch the pots with something like 
white pine needles. In some years, I have used my wheelbarrow mix without
baking it, and have gotten just as good germination, but have had to deal
with weeds in the pots.  Everyone has his or her own preferred method, I
know, but this one gives germination that is pretty high and pretty steady, 
and the sprouts can stay in the pots until they're 6 or 8 inches tall, if
need be, though it's preferable to plant them earlier than that, of course. I mention all of this because I hate to hear of you losing seeds because of 
a bad planting medium.  --  Griff
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Greenfield" <mgreenfield@cinci.rr.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting



Germination in the past has been very bad for me 10 % to 15%. So I tried
something different. In December of 2005 I did the toilet tank soak for 3
weeks then froze the seeds till mid March and planted at that time. 2000
seeds about 80 germinated. They germinated in late May, normal is late
April. less than a 1/2 mile from me a friends seeds germinated in late
April. I sorted the seeds out of the pots finding half or more mushy and
rotted.

In  past years  after normal germination I would find rotted seeds. The
seeds were in 8" mum pots or gallon pots. Those pots were above ground
with no protection. December 2006 I replanted most of the good seed from
2006 and about 1500 new ones. about 2,000 germinated. Close to 80%. When
my seedlings get about 2" I transplant in 4" pots or 20 oz Styrofoam
cups( these have worked out better).

Frost heave is a problem and my potting soil is pretty loose so I added
some bagged top soil to possible help this. The topsoil looked spoiled and 
smelled bad, thinking so what it is dirt. Wrong! Those seedling did not
grow well and are still behind. They are behind the ones in straight
potting soil right now. There are seedlings from the same cross in both.
Also I lost a lot of seedlings  in the bad soil.

Topsoil will not be used again!

In the past I planted some seeds in April from a bee pod and had 3
germinate. I don't remember how many in the pod but would guess 20. And
did not save any  till the next year. At that time I did not know how to
make a cross or plant seeds.

Mike Greenfield
----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@lock-net.com> 

Subject: [iris] HYB: seed planting



I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors
that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the
following spring?
I figure the answer depends entirely on which parents are being used - at 
least that's my experience with the refrigeration technique and outdoor
germination.

But we all know my experience is limited to iris hell - so this question
is for people in more "normal" iris growing areas in a "typical" winter.

Whatever <that> means anymore! ;-)
--
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8




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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:29:48 -0500
From: autmirislvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
<<I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the following spring??>>
In zone 6, I've planted during Xmas holidays with good results.? That's the latest I've planted.? 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 4:00 pm
Subject: [iris] HYB: seed planting
I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the following spring?? 
?
I figure the answer depends entirely on which parents are being used - at least that's my experience with the refrigeration technique and outdoor germination.? 
?
But we all know my experience is limited to iris hell - so this question is for people in more "normal" iris growing areas in a "typical" winter.? 
?
Whatever <that> means anymore! ;-)?
- -- Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8?
East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>?
Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee <http://www.aisregion7.org>?
American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>?
talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>?
photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>?
online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>?
?
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:59:58 EST
From: ChatOWhitehall@aol.com
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB: Germination: Pots: Mechanics

In a message dated 12/16/2007 3:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
autmirislvr@aol.com writes:

<<Anner, AOL and my local phone company seem to be unable to  reach an
agreement on Internet access.? I no longer have the option of accessing through AOL 
and must sign on with another service and then log into  my AOL account.?
Aha! Now, you see, that parallels the experience I had the other night when I posted through another computer than mine own, and got a lot of litter and 
the line wrap thing that is so maddening. But then when I came home  and
tested, all was okay. You see, I knew it wasn't the computers, and I knew it 
wasn't the accounts, nor the lines, which narrowed things down some.

<< I've been with AOL for ten years and resist  change!
Oh, I know exactly what you mean. We have several ISPs, but I've always used the AOL for my horticultural activities, even ran the AIS Membership Office off the account to save the Society some money, but it really has been a PITA since about Version 6. I've got a decade's worth of corresponence archived in my various AOL mailboxes, beaucoup riveting material. I figure I'll need 
every bit  of it when I write my "AIS Babylon" ; )
It may make you feel better to hear that a buddy of mine was carping away on Facebook the other day about his ISPs being so absolutely trifling, and he 
is a Senior Architect at IBM.
<<I'll get better in time, but I'm going to have to stumble around until I 
find the correct methods. Daughter will help at Xmas.  Maybe.

I'll see if I can figure something out, since I think I can  probably
duplicate the problem. Once I get out of the kitchen, of  course.

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:35:39 -0500
From: "John Bruce" <jbruce1@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
I plant my seeds in late December, usually after Christmas up to mid-January 
and have had
no germination problems to speak of. Germination usually starts in late
April. I pot the seeds and set them outside with a wire mesh covering them
to keep the bushy tailed rats (some folks call them squirrels) out of them. 
I am in zone 5 between Cincinnati and Dayton, we usually have wet and cold
up through the end of March.

John Bruce



I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors
that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the
following spring?

I figure the answer depends entirely on which parents are being used - at
least that's my experience with the refrigeration technique and outdoor
germination.

But we all know my experience is limited to iris hell - so this question
is for people in more "normal" iris growing areas in a "typical" winter.

Whatever <that> means anymore! ;-)


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:31:31 -0500
From: autmirislvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting

<<I am in zone 5 >>
My understanding is that consistent cold temperatures would mean less over all time is needed.? Germination is depended on total number of hours at certain temperatures.? Someone said below 40 degrees??? (This is how they calculate the setting of peach fruit, etc.)?
Again, some crosses probably need more time.? Just speculating here but this might explain crosses that germinate better in the second year.? Double the hours of cold temperatures.? Linda's varying times needed?in the frig would support this.? This would assume that drying out in the summer doesn't turn off the hours accumulated in the first winter.? I don't always water unplanted seedling pots during the summer months.?
Years that my seedling pots were in deep shade I had great germination.? This would mean less chance for the pots to dry out and less warming during the days.? (more hours of cold temps) 

I'm not having any trouble keeping the seed wet this year!


- -----Original Message-----
From: John Bruce <jbruce1@cinci.rr.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: seed planting
I plant my seeds in late December, usually after Christmas up to mid-January and have had? no germination problems to speak of. Germination usually starts in late April. I pot the seeds and set them outside with a wire mesh covering them to keep the bushy tailed rats (some folks call them squirrels) out of them. I am in zone 5 between Cincinnati and Dayton, we usually have wet and cold up through the end of March.? 
?
John Bruce?
?
I got a question offlist - what's the latest month of planting outdoors >that folks in zones 5 - 9 have gotten successful germination of TBs the >following spring?? 
?
I figure the answer depends entirely on which parents are being used - at > least that's my experience with the refrigeration technique and outdoor > germination.? 
?
But we all know my experience is limited to iris hell - so this question > is for people in more "normal" iris growing areas in a "typical" winter.? 
?
Whatever <that> means anymore! ;-)?

?
?


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