RE: irisregister and e-membership
iris@hort.net
  • Subject: RE: irisregister and e-membership
  • From: &* H* <c*@wi.rr.com>
  • Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:53:21 -0600
Bob,
I am sorry you think I am picking on you.  It seemed to me the surveys and responses went into a black hole and the things on the surveys were addressed as they would have been without the survey.

As to the survey, they were given out at the convention left lying on a table for people to pick up and given out on convention buses the next year so some people received them more than once.  I know I did and while I stuck to my personal code of ethics and only filled out one I don't know that was always the case.

Char




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Robert Pries
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:05 PM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] irisregister and e-membership

Since the question of what past polls have told us has come up let me give some facts off the top of my head;
EMembership passed as a change in the Bylaws by over 600 votes positive to less then eighty votes negative. Previous polling showed that many people felt Iris Register should be part of membership and not a stand alone entity. E-Membership was constructed such that it combines a multitude of real and potential e-services but allows for a person to have this type of membership and all the available services alone. But since EMembers essentially provide the costs associated with all E-services they are paying for the services they are or have been using. Traditional print members essentially pay for the publication of Irises by paper. Survey results overwhelmingly agreed that members should only pay for the services they use. They can subscribe to both and get all services or only to the format they use. This information was gathered through surveys that had approximately 175 respondents from various sources. The number was good as surveys go but I was not really happy with th!
 e number of respondents because many affiliates did not care to respond or pass the survey on to their members. For this reason I expect to improve these methods and you members with e-mails may expect surveys sent directly to them in the future.
The most difficult group to reach is the people who are not directly connected to the internet. Sending a letter to each is costly. I have requested affiliates print out surveys for these members so they can mail them back, but that messages often seems lost. Surveys about e-services probably do not need to reach this group. I am open to suggestions as to how to reach them but we can not afford snail mail, what is another inexpensive way? (not involving the internet).
I try very hard to be fair and satisfy everyone. Our committee is working on providing printed reports for those internet challenged people, for Exhibitions, Board minutes, and other news that is no longer printed in the Bulletin upon request. I am not insensitive to the needs of each and every member. But I resent complaints when no one has bothered to contact me about what they complain about in a timely way. I believe complaining is their art form not producing results. I have tried to make this organization the most attentive and responsive it has ever been. I am sorry that this is not appreciated.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Char Holte" <cholte@wi.rr.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:11:48 PM
Subject: RE: [iris] irisregister and e-membership

HI,
Did you respond and tell us what the surveys told you?  no  Did you give the one to each member? No They were given out willy nilly.
Are you part of this team?
Char


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Robert Pries
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:43 PM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] irisregister and e-membersip

Tom was very thorough in addressing each of Eugene's questions except for the last regarding did we ask. Yes we did, in a number of surveys. We also had a bylaws vote to enable the creation of E-Membership and much has been in the Bulletins, messages to the Affiliates, notes on this forum and on the website. We really do try to discover our members thoughts about changes and there are more surveys being planned as I speak to occur in a number of forums. I know that everyone does not read everything in the Bulletin. I confess I rarely do either. That is why we try to communicate over a wide range of forums, but even so it is possible to miss or forget about these conversations. If any one has some ideas about how to communicate better that is my job as PR Committee and please feel free to contact me.  Bob Pries

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gormley" <gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:50:28 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] irisregister and e-membersip

Good Morning everyone,
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding out there about Iris Register
and Emembership. Here is what's true.

   - Anyone who was a paid up Irisregister Subscriber as of 11/29/11
   automatically became an Emember with the same expiration date as their Iris
   Register membership.
   - An email was sent to all Iris Register subscribers 11/29/11 giving
   them their new ID & Password.
   - If they didn't see the email and haven't changed their email address I
   suggest they look in their "SPAM" or "DELETED" folders.
   - If they changed their email address from the one they used when they
   took out the Iris Register membership then they obviously didn't get the
   memo. Anyone who finds themselves in this situation can drop me a line and
   I will immediately send them their *NEW* ID & Password.
   - The 2010 Introductions are in Iris Register.
   - Regular AIS Membership is separate and distinct from Emembership. If
   you are receiving a paper copy of "IRISES The Bulletin of the American Iris
   Society" you will continue to do so. Nobody with an existing AIS membership
   has been or will be switched to an Emembership ever! Neither will you ever
   be required to be an Emember as opposed to a "paper" member. You can be
   either or both, your choice.
   - Regarding multiple clicks to get to Iris Register. Once you're in with
   your new ID & Password, Bookmark the page the same way it was done the
   first time it was used. Your computer will ask if you want it to remember
   the password, say yes and you're done.
   - For those of you who are only interested in the Iris Register as a
   research tool and don't care to take advantage of the other perks of
   Emembership, that's fine, don't use them.

If anyone still has *any* questions feel free to email me at
aismemsec@earthlink.net



On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Eugene Baxley <baxleyeugene@yahoo.com>wrote:

> I was not aware that the iris register was defunct. My subscription ran out
> about November and I have not renewed it. I asked John Jones by e-mail
> twice
> if the iris register had been upgraded with information from later years
> that
> was not on it last year. Years 2008, 2009 and 2010. I received no answer
> either time. Has it been upgraded??? If not it is not worth $15.00 to me.
>
> In the current iris list John Jones states that those who are registered in
> iris register, however it is accessed, will be given automatic
> e-membership. I
> e-mailed Tom Gormley about this earlier when I first heard this and he said
> that no one would be switched to e-membership who did not want to be. I
> can't
> take the computer to the bath room with me and I do not wish to print out a
> copy of  Irises. I want a hard copy of Irises with my membership therefore
> it
> looks as if I cannot use the iris register if I want a hard copy of
> Irises. If
> this is the case, it is a bunch of nonsense and it seems to me that the AIS
> left hand does not know what the AIS right hand is doing in this matter.
>
> I
> know that this move is an economic one becuase the AIS is short of money.
> But,
> I have read many times tht membership is declining in the AIS. Every
> obstacle
> AIS puts in the way of a member using what AIS offers is a potential turn
> off
> for members. The procedure always is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
>
> I am
> contemplating buying the latest check list (2010) and forgetting about th
> iris
> register.
>
> How many steps have been added to gain access to the iris
> register, or whatever it is now called. I used to get it with one step
> www.irisregister.com and I used it extensively to get all my iris records
> up
> to date.
>
> I think an article explaining all this should have been published
> in Irises before the switch was mad and they should have asked for
> comments.
> Sometimes people get carried away like Microsoft does and they think they
> know
> what everone needs more than those whom they serve.
>
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Tom Gormley
P. O. Box 177, De Leon Springs, FL 32130
Phone & Fax-386-277-2057
gormleygreenery@gmail.com

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