Re: Digest Number 900 CAT
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- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:48:23 -0600
From: "Mary Carter Brown" <mccarbrn@janics.com>
Hi! This is my first entry. Hope it flies. What has happened to Adamgrove?
I loved their catalogs. I specialize in Histories. I got a lot of my
oldies from them. Also from you, Loraine, Thank you. I like Mid America
and Cape Iris of Niswonger. Mary Brown mccarbrn@janics.com.
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Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:58 AM
Subject: [iris-talk] Digest Number 900
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>Topics in today's digest:
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> 1. Re: traveling
> From: Lorraine Miller <lcmiller@televar.com>
> 2. looking for book recommendations
> From: "MikeGemelke" <MikeGemelke@email.msn.com>
> 3. Re: OT-CHAT: Need a little help
> From: Gerry Snyder <gcsnyd@loop.com>
> 4. OT-Chat: Traveling
> From: BigAlligator@aol.com
> 5. Catalogs
> From: Larry Doucette <lajean@chelmsford.com>
> 6. Re: traveling
> From: "Starlord" <starlord@qnet.com>
> 7. Re: ot:TBI Name
> From: Chris Darlington <chris.darlington@sympatico.ca>
> 8. Re: OT-CHAT: Need a little help
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> 9. Re: traveling
> From: tmilchh@aol.com
> 10. Re: looking for book recommendations
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:10:22 -0800
> From: Lorraine Miller <lcmiller@televar.com>
>Subject: Re: traveling
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>michelle verville wrote:
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>> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I am excited to anounce that I will be taking a trip
>> across the country this summer. My fiancee,Jon, and I
>> will be traveling by car to Kentucky to visit for a
>> while and than continue on to California! I want to
>> go to California so bad because just about every iris
>> grower is located there. I plan to visit as many as
>> posible. I told Jon that we will have to get a
>> trailer to hall all of my new irises. I cant wait!!
>> Michelle Verville
>> Brethren, MI zone5
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>Michelle: Don't forget Oregon & Washington. We are Region 13 and claim
>many of the great hybridizers, past & present-- Schreiners, Cooleys,
>Aitken, Keppel, Paul Black, Dwaine & Joyce Meek, Bennett & Evelyn
>(deceased) Jones, Marky Smith, Jane Ritchie, Rick Ernst, Roger Nelson,
>Gerry Richardson, Merle Roberts, the Craigs; and don't forget the late
>Carol Lankow, George Shoop, Opal Brown, Gordon Plough; and my apologies
>to any I've missed. I think there are others, including some
>comparative newcomers.
> Lorraine Miller, (not a hybridizer)
> LORRAINE'S IRIS PATCH
> Quincy, Washington
> Zone 6
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> Lorraine's Iris Patch
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>Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:55:45 -0600
> From: "MikeGemelke" <MikeGemelke@email.msn.com>
>Subject: looking for book recommendations
>
>Hello everyone! After reading iris-talk for about a month, I have
developed
>a real interest in hybridizing, but want to get a good deep understanding
of
>the hows and whys before I dive in (I'm an engineer by trade, forgive me).
>
>Can anyone recommend some good books on hybridizing?? I'm interested in
the
>genetics as well as "practical" information. I'm interested in hybridizing
>TB in particular, but books that generalize to other plants would be good
>too.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>-Mike (zone 4, but soon to be moving to warm and wet zone 7...yeah!!!)
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>There are 25 messages in this issue.
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>Topics in today's digest:
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> 1. TB: CAT: Ghio's black and white introduction
> From: linda Mann <lmann@mailhub.icx.net>
> 2. OT-Summer weather?
> From: "Colleen Modra" <irises@senet.com.au>
> 3. Re: CAT: Bourdillon
> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
> 4. Re: HYB: What is 'Halation?"
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> 5. Re: HYB: What is 'Halation?"
> From: Mike Lowe <mlowe@worldiris.com>
> 6. Re: CAT: Which ones?
> From: "Char Randall" <charandmike@email.msn.com>
> 7. RE: TB: CAT: Ghio's black and white introduction
> From: "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca>
> 8. Re: TB: CAT: Ghio's black and white introduction
> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> 9. Re: CAT: Bourdillon
> From: "Hartman" <rwhdlh@oceana.net>
> 10. Re: CAT:Bay View
> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> 11. question on irises
> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
> 12. Re: TB: Tales of TRAILS, for the Starlord
> From: hipsource@aol.com
> 13. RE: CAT: Which ones?
> From: "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca>
> 14. Re: CAT: Bourdillon
> From: hipsource@aol.com
> 15. RE: question on irises
> From: "J.F. Hensler" <christyh@povn.com>
> 16. RE: CAT: Which ones?
> From: "Chris Hollinshead" <cris@netcom.ca>
> 17. Re: OT-CHAT: Need a little help
> From: Glenn Simmons <glenn_simmons@juno.com>
> 18. Re: CAT:Bay View
> From: "wmoores" <wmoores@watervalley.net>
> 19. Re: TB: Tales of TRAILS, for the Starlord
> From: "Starlord" <starlord@qnet.com>
> 20. Re: OT-Summer weather?
> From: "Jan Clark" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
> 21. traveling
> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
> 22. help
> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
> 23. Re: help
> From: Nancy Pocklington <npocklington@accunet.net>
> 24. PCN seedlings in cold zone 5
> From: "John Bruce" <jbruce@infinet.com>
> 25. Re:OT:Bloom Report
> From: "Jan Jacobsen" <jacobsen.dorph@get2net.dk>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:05:16 -0500
> From: linda Mann <lmann@mailhub.icx.net>
>Subject: TB: CAT: Ghio's black and white introduction
>
>Mike Sutton posted a photo to the iris-photos list of STARRING, a new
>striking new introduction from Joe Ghio. It's almost a chocolate color
>rather than from blue or red violet. Like a white instead of yellow
>variegata? Does he give the pedigree on it?
>
>Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
>a batch of messages from the weekend and/or Friday must not have made t
>to the archives - several threads going that seem to have no beginning.
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>Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:20:59 +1030
> From: "Colleen Modra" <irises@senet.com.au>
>Subject: OT-Summer weather?
>
>Hi all you Aussies
>
>How have you fared over the last few days. We seem to have scored the
>highest gauging for the state, by tonight we had had 140mm (prob a bit more
>to come overnight) since Saturday afternoon. That more than we'd normally
>get in a few days( or weeks) in winter, even. The whole Feb average is 22mm
>for Adelaide, prob about 30mm for here
>They're promising us 37 C by Friday, everything will steam, Going to have
to
>get out there ASAP and make sure there is no mulch or anything over the
>rhizomes.
>This is supposed to be our dry season, today it felt like the tropics. So
>much for the driest state in the driest continent
>
>Colleen in SA growing webbed feet and foot rot
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>Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:57:47 EST
> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
>Subject: Re: CAT: Bourdillon
>
>In a message dated 2/21/00 3:56:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>janclarx@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< Did I miss something? This sounds interesting, could Dave, or Janet post
>the
> address please? >>
>Sorry, didn't post address...LARGE DUH! it's simply www.Bourdillon.com
>Janet
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>Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:37:26 -0500
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
>Subject: Re: HYB: What is 'Halation?"
>
>>From: hipsource@aol.com
>>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>I was just looking up something for the Starlord and I ran into a word I
>>don't recall having seen before. " Halation" I made an educated guess from
>>the context, but then I thought I'd better check the glossary on Mike's
>HIPS
>>page, where the word was not found, so then I tried the dictionary.
>>
>>Now here is the check list description, color-wise, of TRAILS WEST
>>(Schreiner's 1986) "Auburn brown blend----note correction from previous
>post
>>where I said autumn---with metallic halation, old gold to brown beard."
>>
>>Okay, so I hit the dictionary and what do I find in the Random House
>College?
>>"Halation---a blurred effect at the edges of a light area on a photograph
>>caused by reflection of light through the emulsion from the surface of the
>>film or plate."
>>
>>Is this word being used consistently for a specific color effect in irises
>>and I've simply not run into it enough to notice it before? Can someone
>tell
>>me what may be meant here?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Anner Whitehead
>>HIPSource@aol.com
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>a halo effect?
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>Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:52:00 -0500
> From: Mike Lowe <mlowe@worldiris.com>
>Subject: Re: HYB: What is 'Halation?"
>
>Anner asks...
>
>>I was just looking up something for the Starlord and I ran into a word I
>>don't recall having seen before. " Halation" I made an educated guess from
>>the context, but then I thought I'd better check the glossary on Mike's
>HIPS
>>page, where the word was not found, so then I tried the dictionary.
>>
>>...Is this word being used consistently for a specific color effect in
>irises
>>and I've simply not run into it enough to notice it before? Can someone
>tell
>>me what may be meant here?
>
>Doing a search on EVERY iris registered from 1980 to 1999 turns up
>two usages of the term. There is no usage after 1986.
>
>I would define it as 'a nonce term that didn't fly.'
>
>SUAVE (Schreiner's R. 1980). Sdlg. I 370-1. TB, 40" (102 cm), EM. S.
>buff yellow with blue halation; F. rich purple; old gold beard. D
>720-C: ((R 417-A x Edenite) x (P S90-2 x Ruby Mine)) X ((After Dark x
>T 96-1) x Margarita). Schreiner's 1980.
>
>TRAILS WEST (Schreiner's, R. 1986). Sdlg. R 725-B. TB, 37" (94 cm),
>M. Auburn brown blend with metallic halation; old gold to brown
>beard. H 450-P: (B 456-1 x D 393-1: (Coraband x W 1199-1)) X I 855-1:
>(F 159-A x D 560-B: (Eternal Flame x B 533-A)). Schreiner's 1986.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike, mlowe@worldiris.com -- http://www.worldiris.com
>South Central Virginia, USA; USDA Zone 7A
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>Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:45:06 -0700
> From: "Char Randall" <charandmike@email.msn.com>
>Subject: Re: CAT: Which ones?
>
>Martha,
>
>Also being relatively new to purchasing iris, my favorite catalogs have
>become Sutton's and Winterberry Gardens for the information they provide
and
>Schreiner's and Cooley's for the pictures. There are lots of other really
>good catalogs and vendors out there but these seem to be the ones I grab
>more than others. I've found that most of the commercial sources send you
>their new catalogs after you have ordered from them. I would not buy a
>Cooleys catalog every year just to see their pictures! Like you, I would
>rather spend the money on new iris. I especially like the Sutton and
>Winterberry catalogs for their info on the rebloomers. Besides, the Sutton
>family seem to be really fine people and I would say that would be my
number
>one choice.
>
>Remember I am talking about catalogs here, not product. I wouldn't presume
>to recommend one source over another, especially on this list. Contact me
>privately and I would be glad to share experiences.
>
>Char Randall
>charandmike@msn.com
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>Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:10:48 -0500
> From: "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca>
>Subject: RE: TB: CAT: Ghio's black and white introduction
>
>Hi Linda,
>
>The picture on the front of the catalogue looks more blue-black to me. He
>does list the pedigree but I don't have the catalogue with me. Most of his
>pedigrees are fairly complex.
>
>His catalogue is well worth getting. He describes some interesting
>seedlings that he will be developing. Good prices on fairly new cultivars
>too most of whom have received HMs.
>Maureen Mark
>Ottawa, Canada (zone 4) -- where if the forecast is to be believed, there
>will be many flooded basements by the end of the week
>
>
>> From: linda Mann <lmann@mailhub.icx.net>
>>
>> Mike Sutton posted a photo to the iris-photos list of STARRING, a new
>> striking new introduction from Joe Ghio. It's almost a chocolate color
>> rather than from blue or red violet. Like a white instead of yellow
>> variegata? Does he give the pedigree on it?
>>
>> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
>> a batch of messages from the weekend and/or Friday must not have made t
>> to the archives - several threads going that seem to have no beginning.
>>
>>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:26:25 -0800
> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>Subject: Re: TB: CAT: Ghio's black and white introduction
>
>Hi Linda,
>yes - unknown but probably from Romantic Evening.
>Mike
>----- Original Message -----
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>> From: linda Mann <lmann@mailhub.icx.net>
>> Does he give the pedigree on it?
>>
>> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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>Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:32:59 -0500
> From: "Hartman" <rwhdlh@oceana.net>
>Subject: Re: CAT: Bourdillon
>
>I found the web site but the catalog was a little vague.Could you please
>inform me.Dorothy Hartman zone 6 Sand at the Big Lake.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <GardnrJan1@aol.com>
>To: <iris-talk@onelist.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 6:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [iris-talk] CAT: Bourdillon
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>> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
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>> In a message dated 2/21/00 3:56:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> janclarx@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> << Did I miss something? This sounds interesting, could Dave, or Janet
>post
>> the
>> address please? >>
>> Sorry, didn't post address...LARGE DUH! it's simply www.Bourdillon.com
>> Janet
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>Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:40:52 -0800
> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>Subject: Re: CAT:Bay View
>
>Hiya Walter,
>We grow them all. George has made the SANTA X HEAVEN cross with the red
>thing in mind. DEEP DARK SECRET didn't bloom for us last year but there is
>a good amount of increase on it. SEA POWER is going strong right now, off
>of one mother rhizome last year we have 9 increases so there should be a
>little bloom this year. Can't wait! I am going to cross it with AUTUMN
>THUNDER. Woohoo! Your right, I am going to put horns on everything
>(actually I like flounces better) and make everything a rebloomer to boot!
>Just wait till you see what I have in mind for WILD WINGS and a broken
color
>SA iris (non plicata breeding). I think I just heard some groans?
>How about a DEEP DARK SECRET type of flower with dark spaths and stalk on a
>variegated foliage plant (Kathy Guest)? You can tell it's been a long time
>since last spring.
>Mike
>BTW it's scary how you know what I am thinking Walter
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>> ROMANTIC EVENING has been used in many of Joe's current crop.
>>
>> I got RE two years ago from one source and it has not bloomed. Last
>> year I got a more vigorous start elsewhere, and it looks good. Has
>> anybody on the list bloomed RE?
>>
>> SANTA, HEAVEN, DEEP DARK SECRET and SEA POWER all are TDF's
>> according to their pictures. Does anybody on iris-talk grow these?
>>
>> Seems to me SANTA X HEAVEN and DEEP DARK SECRET X SEA POWER
>> would make good crosses, assuming they are fertile.
>>
>> I am wondering if Mike Sutton has already made these crosses and I
>> would be wasting my time. But, then, I think Mike would put horns on
>> these so it would be ok for me to try my hand.
>>
>> Counting my catalogs, I have received only Joe Pye Weed, Bay View,
>> and Keppel's scaled down list.
>>
>> Walter Moores
>> Enid Lake, MS 7/8
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>Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:50:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>Subject: question on irises
>
>Hi everyone,
> Can you all help me with something? I would like to
>know the best breeder TB's. I want to start thinking
>of good crosses to make but no little about parents.
>Thanks
>Michelle Verville
>Brethren, MI zone 5
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>Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:58:55 EST
> From: hipsource@aol.com
>Subject: Re: TB: Tales of TRAILS, for the Starlord
>
>In a message dated 2/22/00 2:09:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>starlord@qnet.com writes:
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><< wouldn't it be something IF it turned out to be the older one too! >>
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>I found you a contemporary description, Dennis. From the 1936 Wayman's
>catalog:
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>TRAIL'S END " 38in. A magnificent new blend. S--yellow overlaid soft
>orange-red; F--orange-red, with a vivid orange beard. Honorable Mention
>American Iris Society 1933."
>
>So, distinguishing it can't be as simple as it would have been had this
>thing
>been purple, but the form of this would surely be that of an iris fifty
>years
>older. And, presumptively, no 'halation.'
>
>Anner Whitehead
>HIPSource@aol. com
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>Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:17:47 -0500
> From: "Mark, Maureen" <markm@tc.gc.ca>
>Subject: RE: CAT: Which ones?
>
>For pictures, nothing beats Schreiner's and Cooley's. I like to buy them
>every few years not only for the colour pictures but because they are both
>fairly large listings of popular iris likely to end up at the show table.
>Cooley's collections are also a good buy. Roris is not bad for pictures
>either, but some of them are not true to colour.
>
>For rebloomers, I like Sutton's and Winterberry. Both give excellent
>information on rebloomers and provide excellent product and service.
>Winterberry probably has the most extensive list of rebloomers. No
pictures
>though. If you like space-agers, then Sutton's is a must. Good colour
>pictures too.
>
>Aitken's Salmon Creek is a must have. It's a smaller catalogue with good
>colour pictures. Excellent service and product. Their family of
>hybridizers have produced many award winning bearded iris and JIs.
>
>Keppel's and Ghio's are great for providing pedigrees and for getting
>quality bearded iris that are rather different. Both carry mostly newer
>iris. Not many pictures though.
>
>Zebra Gardens is a must read. And for those who like broken colours, it's
a
>must have. Brad and Kathy have been increasing the colour pictures too.
>
>Nobody has beaten Superstition yet for the size and quality of their
>rhizomes. They are also coming out with some interesting cultivars from
>their hybridizing program. No pictures (yet) but if you ask nicely, they
>will e-mail pictures of their introductions. Prices are very good for
newer
>stuff, especially those that are only one or two years from introduction.
I
>guess that their growing conditions allow for better increase.
>
>For JIs, Ensata is a must. Lots of pictures and probably the largest
>selection. They also carry many siberians. Their hybridizing specialty is
>multitepal cultivars for both JIs and siberians.
>
>For siberians, Joe Pye Weed for the interesting colours they are producing
>from their hybridizing program and the colour insert of all their new
>introductions. They also carry many of Tamberg's introductions.
>Hollingworth is also worth having, but is a smaller catalogue.
>
>I'm sure that I've forgotten some, but I'm also sure that others will pipe
>in.
>
>Maureen Mark
>Ottawa, Canada (zone 4)
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>> From: "Martha Brown" <mbrown@pldi.net>
>>
>> As a relatively new iris enthusiast I have no idea
>> which catalogs to pay anywhere from $2.00 to $5.00
>> for. I would prefer to spend my money on Iris
>> rather than catalogs so which ones are your
>> favorites and why?
>>
>> If you prefer to reply off list you may do so to:
>> mbrown@pldi.net
>>
>> Thanks
>> Martha
>> M Brown
>> NW Oklahoma, USA
>> USDA Zone 6b, Sunset Zone 35
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>Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:26:49 EST
> From: hipsource@aol.com
>Subject: Re: CAT: Bourdillon
>
>In a message dated 2/22/00 1:22:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>jcwalters@bridgernet.com writes:
>
><< Could this be a reference to the supposed tendency of irises that have
>been
> grown in the same soil for an extended period of time to suppress the
> growth of their own kind? Perhaps some of the older types are more
virulent
> in this respect (?). The reference seems to be to German iris, after all.
> >>
>
>Hummm. I read it as cautioning that planting new hybrid varieties with the
>older common purples and blues which bloom earlier, by which I understand
>pallidas and germanicas, will result in the former being overrun by the
>latter with a consequent loss of bloom and subsequent loss of the 'mass' of
>the newer irises.
>
>Not that there isn't something in it, of course, if you leave the things
>forever, but one does wonder just a bit about the motivation.
>
>Anner Whitehead
>HIPSource@aol.com
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>Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:46:21 -0800
> From: "J.F. Hensler" <christyh@povn.com>
>Subject: RE: question on irises
>
>From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi everyone,
> Can you all help me with something? I would like to
>know the best breeder TB's. I want to start thinking
>of good crosses to make but no little about parents.
>Thanks
>Michelle Verville<<<
>
>Hi Michelle (and anyone else thinking about hybridizing),
>
>There is no magic combination of cultivars that will give you the perfect
>iris seedling. If there were, we would have all gotten bored long ago and
>gone onto something else.
>
>The best advice I can give is to find plants that come close to what *you*
>would like to see in a TB. Keeping a notebook on your plants will help you
>focus on the traits you want to cross for. As your notes on what the
>seedlings turn out like accumulate, they'll give you valuable information
>on which seedlings are bringing you closer to your goal.
>
>One very important thing to keep in mind... Never give up. Even the easiest
>irises to cross won't set seed every year and it will likely take more than
>a generation until you begin to see the improvements you're after. The
>excitement of seeing an iris of yours bloom for the first time will more
>than make up for the work and the time involved.
>
>If you're really cut out to be a hybridizer, you'll find more and more
>traits you'd like to cross for and you'll discover along the way that
>hybridizing doesn't have a finish line.... It's a journey of discovery.
>
>Christy Hensler
>Newport, WA
>http://www.povn.com/rock/
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>Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:14:39 -0500
> From: "Chris Hollinshead" <cris@netcom.ca>
>Subject: RE: CAT: Which ones?
>
>Martha and other new iris enthusiasts wondering about iris catalogs;
>
>Know that almost every iris garden that charges for a catalog will refund
>the catalog charge upon/with your first order. They will also usually
supply
>you with their catalogs free of charge in the subsequent years after an
>order.
>Usually the catalogs which contain color pictures are the ones that charge
>for a catalog request. There are many places which do not charge for the
>catalog but for the most part these are just listings without the color
>reference photos. You may find some internet catalogs to browse for free
and
>these typically will have available color images of the iris.
>
>Remember that if you do not have at least a couple of nice catalogs to
>peruse prior to the season then you will be missing out on a part of
irising
>that is kind of fun and you do not want to do that! ...and how else will
>you know about all those iris that you just have to have! At first (you say
>you are just getting involved with iris) I would tend to go for a just
>couple of catalogs so as not to be overwhelmed and to be able to appreciate
>the irises and the content.
>
>Perhaps a good starter trio of sources that I feel comfortable recommending
>would be:
>
>Schreiners: mostly TB iris but mostly great color photos complete with
>descriptions which will help to familiarize you with some well known and
>reasonably current TB's. Excellent service.
>Schreiners
>3625 Quinaby Rd. N.E.
>Salem, OR 97303-9720
>at last check the *full catalog was $5.00.
>*( If you are serious about iris is important to get the FULL catalog not
>the free mini-catalog.)
>1-800-525-2367 and VISA, M/C accepted
>
>Aitken's Salmon Creek Garden: A much wider section of the different types
of
>iris, color photos. Great selection and excellent service.
>Aitken's Salmon Creek Garden
>608 NW 119th Street
>Vancouver, WA 98685
>catalog $2.00 at last check
>VISA, M/C accepted
>(360) 573-4472
>e-mail: aitken@e-z.net
>
>Superstition Iris Gardens: Knowledgeable, wonderful people with very high
>quality products.
>Superstition Iris Gardens
>2536 Old Highway
>Cathay's Valley, CA 95306
>(209)966-6277
>e-mail: randrcv@sierratel.com
>
>
>Later when you know more about irises you may find special hybridizers that
>you like and you will want to get their offerings. Again later, as you may
>become an AIS (American Iris Society) member, the AIS quarterly bulletin
has
>a commercial directory that listing all kinds of iris sources which you may
>wish to pursue.
>
>Christopher Hollinshead
>Mississauga, Ontario Canada zone6b
>AIS(Region 16), CIS, SSI
>Director-Canadian Iris Society (CIS)
>Newsletter Editor-Canadian Iris Society
>E-mail: cris@netcom.ca <c*@netcom.ca>
>Canadian Iris Society (CIS) website: http://www.netcom.ca/~cris/CIS.html
>Siberian-Species Convention 2003 website:
>http://www.netcom.ca/~cris/2003/index.html
>Iris-talk info: http://www.netcom.ca/~cris/CIS/iristalk.html
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martha Brown [m*@pldi.net]
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 21:41
>> To: iris-talk@onelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] CAT: Which ones?
>>
>>
>> From: "Martha Brown" <mbrown@pldi.net>
>>
>> As a relatively new iris enthusiast I have no idea
>> which catalogs to pay anywhere from $2.00 to $5.00
>> for. I would prefer to spend my money on Iris
>> rather than catalogs so which ones are your
>> favorites and why?
>>
>
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>Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:47:48 -0600
> From: Glenn Simmons <glenn_simmons@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: Need a little help
>
>
>
>>
>> You have it for breakfast, hard boiled, fried, scrambled, etc.
>> Cheerz, Jan
>> ______________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>Dennis, Gerry and Jan. Thanks for your help on this brain teaser, we had
>no idea. Our boy's teacher gives his class one of these things each
>week.
>
>Glenn
>
>
>Glenn & Linda Simmons
>Springfield, Missouri, Zone 6
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>Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:47:49 -0600
> From: "wmoores" <wmoores@watervalley.net>
>Subject: Re: CAT:Bay View
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>>
>>
>> We grow them all. George has made the SANTA X HEAVEN cross with the red
>> thing in mind.
>
> I think the above cross will be the 'most multiple' cross made to
>date.
>
> Next will be the DEEP DARK SECRET X SEA POWER cross.
>
>
> These will rival the DUSKY CHALLENGER X SILVERADO cross.
>
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS 7/8
>
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/2920/
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>Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:03:03 -0800
> From: "Starlord" <starlord@qnet.com>
>Subject: Re: TB: Tales of TRAILS, for the Starlord
>
>All I can do is hope it wakes up and grows, whatever it is. I checked
>it today and so far it is just sitting there. But then we're still in
>winter here in the Mojave desert, the hills to either side of the A.V.
>have a fresh layer of snow on them and the wind coming down is cold.
>
>I'm watching for a shuttle landing out here maybe today.
>
>The Year is 2259, The Name of the Place is Babylon 5
>http://www.whitelakeweb.com/siar
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <hipsource@aol.com>
>To: <iris-talk@onelist.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:12 PM
>Subject: [iris-talk] TB: Tales of TRAILS, for the Starlord
>
>
>> From: hipsource@aol.com
>>
>> TRAIL'S END is a perfectly legitimate name of a TB iris from 1934
>for which,
>> according to the best info I have here, HIPS does not have a record
>of
>> survival.
>>
>> TRAILS WEST is a TB Schreiner iris from 1986, described as an
>"autumn brown
>> blend." Not old enough to be endangered yet.
>>
>
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>Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:13:12 PST
> From: "Jan Clark" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: OT-Summer weather?
>
>>We seem to have scored the highest gauging for the state, by tonight we
had
>>had 140mm
>
>Just a lovely light continual rain herefor the last 3 hours, and the same
>yesterday morning. It looks like midwinter here, but that's because the sun
>isn't up yet. They were suggesting 35 here by Friday. (Promising is not a
>word to be used in association with the Met bureau)
>Perhaps hoeing around those clumps that look the wettest, might help with
>the drainage? All the best for the next few days, and I hope nothing really
>important rots for you.
>I'd be happy if it stayed like this for a while. I will be out gardening
>this morning, even if it is still raining.
>Cheerz, Jan
>
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:27:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>Subject: traveling
>
>Hi Everyone,
> I am excited to anounce that I will be taking a trip
>across the country this summer. My fiancee,Jon, and I
>will be traveling by car to Kentucky to visit for a
>while and than continue on to California! I want to
>go to California so bad because just about every iris
>grower is located there. I plan to visit as many as
>posible. I told Jon that we will have to get a
>trailer to hall all of my new irises. I cant wait!!
>Michelle Verville
>Brethren, MI zone5
>__________________________________________________
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>Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:42:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>Subject: help
>
>Hi everyone,
> Can any of you tell me where i can find some old
>Keith Keppel Catalogs? Does he have a webpage or
>email address? Thanks
>Michelle Verville
>Brethren, MI zone 5
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>Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:08:51 -0600
> From: Nancy Pocklington <npocklington@accunet.net>
>Subject: Re: help
>
>Nancy Pocklington wrote at 3:00 Tuesday aft.:<npocklington@accunet.net>
>
>michelle verville wrote:
>>
>> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Can any of you tell me where i can find some old
>> Keith Keppel Catalogs? Does he have a webpage or
>> email address? Thanks
>> Michelle Verville
>> Brethren, MI zone 5
>
>Hi, Michelle: No, Keith is not online. He and I were kidding each
>other about being two of the few remaining BOD contacts that had to
>be reached by snail mail. I'll look for a catalog for you; there
>might be one here that I picked up at a convention.
>
>Sincerely,
>Nancy Pocklington, (Central IL; Zone 9)
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>Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:29:39 -0500
> From: "John Bruce" <jbruce@infinet.com>
>Subject: PCN seedlings in cold zone 5
>
>In December 1998, I planted nearly 400 PCN seeds. I set the
>pots outside in the cold, rain and snow. Last Spring, I had 10 seeds
>sprout and grow. I was a little disappointed because I had heard
>that PCN seeds germinated readily. The 10 seedlings survived the
>hot humid summer in the pots, even growing a bit. I had some room
>in the cold frames this past fall, so I just put the pots right back in. My
>goal was for some winter hardy PCNs that might survive the summers
>as well, so I thought this would be a good test. Very little TLC and let
>natural selection do the job.
>
>Well, today it was warm enough to check the cold frames. The frames
>were NOT covered with plastic this winter, they simply served to block
>the wind. I was amazed to find very robust plants putting on increase,
>as well as MANY new sprouts. The temps here have ranged from
>15-35 on average at night for the last few weeks, and in January we had
>some lows of -15 F to 0F for an extended period. Needless to say, this was
>a very pleasant surprise. The seeds were both species and hybrids.
>
>I have no illusions that PCNs will be easy here, or if summer will end the
>experiment. Last summer was hot (90F, high humidity) and no seedlings
>were lost. Still, this should encourage folks who have always wanted to try
>growing PCN to obtain some seed and give them a try.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>John Bruce jbruce@infinet.com
>SW Ohio, USDA Zone 5b, Sunset #35
>AIS Region 6, SSI,HIPS,TBIS, SIGNA
>President, Miami Valley Iris Society
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>Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:32:22 +0100
> From: "Jan Jacobsen" <jacobsen.dorph@get2net.dk>
>Subject: Re:OT:Bloom Report
>
>Hi all
>It has been awhile since I have mailed anything to the list, so I thought
it
>must be about time.
>Here in Denmark we have a very nice and mild winter , without snow and
>frost,-it can however come in Marts,-
>so many plants are above ground somewhat earlier than usual.
>Right now I have Iris hyrcana has bloomed and now fading away,Iris
>danfordiae spreads it`s yellow colour in the rockgarden, and others
>reticulata hybrids have started to bloom.
>Within the next few days the first Juno iris : Iris rosenbachiana open up,
>soon the rest of the junos will follow.
>Last year I planted a lot of new aril breds, and all have survived the
>winter, or whatever it is called, so I look forward to see some nice
flowers
>in the early summer.
>Regarding TB, it has been a dreadful winter, with a awful lot of rain, but
>never the less nearly all the new TB from California have made it so far,
so
>lets see what the summer will bring of pleasant surprises.
>Jan jacobsen Zone 4-5 - right now 0C/32F
> jacobsen.dorph@get2net.dk
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:07:14 -0800
> From: Gerry Snyder <gcsnyd@loop.com>
>Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: Need a little help
>
>Glenn Simmons wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dennis, Gerry and Jan. Thanks for your help on this brain teaser, we had
>> no idea. Our boy's teacher gives his class one of these things each
>> week.
>
>If I didn't hate the (by now a cliche at JPL) statement "Think out of
>the box" I would suggest it. It refers to the puzzle of, given a 3 x 3
>array of dots, connect them all with the minimum number of straight
>lines. If you allow the lines to extend beyond the 3 x 3 dots, you can
>reduce the number of lines. In other words, romove limitations to your
>ideas and concepts.
>
>Lecture mode off; if you have further brain teasers to share with us,
>please do; I love to feel brilliant (and if I have no idea, I can
>pretend I just didn't see the question. ;-)
>
>Gerry
>
>--
>g*@loop.com
>Gerry Snyder, AIS Symposium Chair
>Region 15 Ass't RVP, JT Chair
>Member San Fernando Valley, Southern California Iris Societies
>in warm, winterless Los Angeles
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>Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:33:00 EST
> From: BigAlligator@aol.com
>Subject: OT-Chat: Traveling
>
>In a message dated 2/22/00 3:29:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>mickyjonny@yahoo.com writes:
>
><< My fiancee,Jon, and I
> will be traveling by car to Kentucky >>
>
>Michelle,
> I have finally got my Iris-Talk mail flowing again. What part of
>Kentucky are you going to? I used to live there. You may even be able to
>see a few Irises along the way...
> Thinking Irises, today, I got bloom on African Iris [Dietes] in a
>sheltered spot.
>
>Mark A. Cook
>BigAlligator@aol.com
>Dunnellon, Florida.
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:31:56 -0500
> From: Larry Doucette <lajean@chelmsford.com>
>Subject: Catalogs
>
>
> Today the letter carrier delivered a marvelous catalog -
>
>The catalog lists OVER 2300 irises (New Introductions - Rebloomers - Space
>Agers - 'Classics' - Species - MDBs - IBs - TBs - MDBs - BBs - and
>includes many many Historics )-
>
>'Tho the catalog provided NO pictures - they (Spoons) provide a wonderful
>format which including loads of helpful info -
>
>They're located in Virginia (Zone 5B) they have over 5,000 labeled
>varieties covering nearly 3 acres -
>The total number of seedlings in their garden is currently in excess of
>10,000 -
>
>This catalog is certainly worth having !!
>
>
>Larry D.
>
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>Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:36:33 -0800
> From: "Starlord" <starlord@qnet.com>
>Subject: Re: traveling
>
>Well heck, while there's nothing for sale, you might swing by and see
>the odd ball of all iris gardens that's in the majove desert of calif.
>
>The Year is 2259, The Name of the Place is Babylon 5
>http://www.whitelakeweb.com/siar
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>To: <iris-talk@onelist.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 12:27 PM
>Subject: [iris-talk] traveling
>
>
>> From: michelle verville <mickyjonny@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I am excited to anounce that I will be taking a trip
>> across the country this summer. My fiancee,Jon, and I
>> will be traveling by car to Kentucky to visit for a
>> while and than continue on to California! I want to
>> go to California so bad because just about every iris
>> grower is located there. I plan to visit as many as
>> posible. I told Jon that we will have to get a
>> trailer to hall all of my new irises. I cant wait!!
>> Michelle Verville
>> Brethren, MI zone5
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
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>Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:14:09 -0500
> From: Chris Darlington <chris.darlington@sympatico.ca>
>Subject: Re: ot:TBI Name
>
>I'm with you Rosalie , Peace....I never carry chips , only eat them from
>time to time.
>
>I simply felt that input to the list from many various individuals is
>important and interesting for list content. The thought of chasing
>people away for details bothers me but all is forgotten now. This is
>now just about the Starlord , it's about anybody who takes the time to
>send something in to the list , we don't want people to be insecure
>because there are already very few regular posters to start with.
>
>Yep..... here in zone 5 , we go through what we call cabin fever every
>Feburary. Lack of sunshine , gardening and fresh air.
>
>Bring on spring
>Chris
>
>I AM sorry if anyone is offended, life is too short to carry
>> chips, and getting shorter all the time, so I refuse to carry them and
try to
>> understand the other side and make peace. How about it? Rosalie
near
>> Baltimore still zone 7 which has nothing to do with the case, except
Spring
>> will be a help -
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>Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:24:11 -0500
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
>Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: Need a little help
>
>>From: Glenn Simmons <glenn_simmons@juno.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You have it for breakfast, hard boiled, fried, scrambled, etc.
>>> Cheerz, Jan
>>> ______________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Dennis, Gerry and Jan. Thanks for your help on this brain teaser, we had
>>no idea. Our boy's teacher gives his class one of these things each
>>week.
>>
>>Glenn
>>
>>
>>Glenn & Linda Simmons
>>Springfield, Missouri, Zone 6
>
>So do we get an iris or something for going to all that trouble? <G>
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:25:13 EST
> From: tmilchh@aol.com
>Subject: Re: traveling
>
>Hi Michelle,
> I live in Lexington, Kentucky. You are welcome to visit my garden in
>May. I'll be on vacation in April & will probably miss some of my median
>iris blooms. But if you are coming this way, the BGIS is having an iris
show
>on Saturday, May 13,2000 at Turfland Mall in Lexington, Kentucky; the LAIS
is
>having a show the following day on Sunday, May 14 at a mall in Louisville
(I
>think it is Bashford Manor, but I'm not sure).
> Annette Milch TMilchh@aol.com
>
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>Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:35:56 -0500
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
>Subject: Re: looking for book recommendations
>
>>From: "MikeGemelke" <MikeGemelke@email.msn.com>
>>
>>Hello everyone! After reading iris-talk for about a month, I have
developed
>>a real interest in hybridizing, but want to get a good deep understanding
of
>>the hows and whys before I dive in (I'm an engineer by trade, forgive me).
>>
>>Can anyone recommend some good books on hybridizing?? I'm interested in
the
>>genetics as well as "practical" information. I'm interested in
hybridizing
>>TB in particular, but books that generalize to other plants would be good
>>too.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>-Mike (zone 4, but soon to be moving to warm and wet zone 7...yeah!!!)
>
>I'm an engineer / wannabeehybridizer too. :)
>
>I have several books on irises, and I would have to say it's difficult to
>answer your question. If you're just looking for basic information about
>what pollen is, and where does it go? Well, then you should check out
>Steve Rocha's web site:
>http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7679/hybridizing.html
>
>If you're looking for information on genetics, chromosomes, and
>fancy-schmancy scientifc words that are completely unpronouncable, a
>really good book is "Iris" by Fritz Kohlein.
>
>If you're looking for detailed information about historical hybridizing,
>which often reads like a bible passage (who begat who, who begat who,
>etc...) then you want "The World of Irises". This one has a whole section
>on the origin of pinks in tall bearded irises, which while thrilling to
>many hybridizers, is dreadfully dull to me.
>
>So it just all depends what you're looking for...... For me, my favorite &
>most helpful is the one by Fritz Kohlein. I also simply couldn't live
>without my copy of "The Louisiana Iris" which covers every aspect of
>hybridizing in great detail--ploidy, colors, patterns, rebloom,
>germination, etc. But then, I'm into the LAs, and obviously it wouldn't
>make much sense for you to get it if you're into TBs.
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>My best advice is to just hang out here on Iris-Talk and absorb as much as
>you can. There's a lot of knowledge shared by some great hybridizers
>including Sharon McAllister, Walter Moores, Dorothy Willott, Heather Pryor,
>Lloyd Zurbrigg, Mike Sutton, Rick Tassco, and many more! Each has their
>special forte (Arils, Louisianas, Rebloomers, etc.)....
>
>Dennis Kramb; dkramb@badbear.com
>Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6; AIS Region 6
>http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/home.html
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